Help Finding Flat Drain Cover

[1poolman1]

It's my understanding that yes, if I only have one drain, then flat covers are illegal. But since I have 2 drains off the same pipe, then that's not the case? 2 drains = no suction danger, right?

All drain covers must be certified "unblockable, anti-entrapement" per Federal regulations, that's the second part of the split-drain equation.
Flat covers, regardless of how many in a pool, are not either, not legal, not manufactured.
Think of two flat covers and two fools playing around and getting stuck.
If you don't think that happens, ask an insurance company. Even ones certified can be defeated. As the expression goes, "You can't fix stupid." There were many stories in trade publications of ones who did so when they first came out.

 

[JamesW]

I would avoid ever having all suction on any main drain or set of 2 regular round main drains.

If you have a situation where you would need all suction on main drains, overengineer the design such that it would be virtually impossible to block all drains simultaneously.

For this, I would use at least 2 sets of regular round main drains (4 total) or at least 2 large Channel Drains or large Ring Drains.

For example, an infinity edge trough will need to use all main drains.

Even though the trough is not intended for people to get in, kids and adults will commonly get in the trough and use it like a small pool.

What are In Ground Pool Unblockable Drains - Explained - CMP

If you install or spend time around pool drains and suctions, hopefully you are fully aware of the safety factors involved. But what about "unblockable" drains?

www.c-m-p.com

https://www.poolsafely.gov/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/CPSC.Unblockable-Drain-summary.pdf

Channel Main Drains - CMP

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[98Poolmaster]

It's my understanding that yes, if I only have one drain, then flat covers are illegal. But since I have 2 drains off the same pipe, then that's not the case? 2 drains = no suction danger, right?

This is the Polaris Unibridge @1poolman1 was mentioning in an earlier post.

 

[JamesW]

Besides the cover, the sump part looks like it is also not to code.

My recommendation is to either eliminate the drains or replace both with entirely new fixtures including the main drain sump part.

This will require cutting into the gunite and a lot of work and money.

Do you have 1 or 2 skimmers?

If you have 2 skimmers, then eliminating the drains is a good choice.

You can add a second skimmer if you only have 1 skimmer.

 

[DesertSloth]

It looks like a Pool Drain Cover CSI 4-1-10-20.

Pool Drain Cover CSI 4-1-10-20 - STLFinder

IMPORTANT NOTE: Strong thanks to Proxy 303 who advised me of the Virginia Graeme Baker (VGB) Pool & Spa Safety Act, requiring pool & spa drain covers conform to entrapment protections per ASME/ANSI A112. I've deleted the STL, and recommend replacing any printed covers with an approved model...

www.stlfinder.com

It is no longer made.

You can disable the drain and fill it in to make it safe.

There will probably not be a suitable drain cover available.

It is illegal and unsafe to install a drain cover that is not Certified to current regulations.

Main drain cover busted

OK, somehow my 17 year old managed to bust the main drain cover in my pool..even though it was 8 1/2 feet down. I'm having a hard time trying to locate a replacement. It's got a big hole in it. The markings on it are Ccsi (Fancy C__) 4-1-10-20 Any help at all would be appreciated...

www.troublefreepool.com

Just curious- how would I go about disabling it and filling it in?

 

[1poolman1]

Just curious- how would I go about disabling it and filling it in?

Pull the cover, fill the pipe with hydraulic cement. You could fill the sump as well and them coat with patching plaster.

 

[Scowman]

I have 12 of these in my pool, spa and water feature/pond both on the floor drains and side intakes. No way am I replacing all of these!!!!!

Like you my son broke it. In his defense it is likely 20+ years old and chlorine weakened. Fortunately I have an old spare the PO left behind. I will put that in the pond wall intake and move that to the main drain.

I also have one of those in ground pop up cleaning systems and live about 5 miles from Scottsdale AirPark. All of my neighbors have the exact same setups and hardware.

Options I see are 3d print, eBay used (haven’t seen any) or custom fab from stainless/ plastic or other material.

Any other ideas greatly welcome.

 

[JamesW]

Options I see are 3d print, eBay used (haven’t seen any) or custom fab from stainless/ plastic or other material.

Any other ideas greatly welcome.

Part of the problem is that we cannot recommend anything that is not compliant with federal regulations and building codes.

It is illegal to install any cover that is not certified to current standards.

Anyone involved in installing non-compliant covers will incur tremendous liability if anything happens.

 

[98Poolmaster]

Part of the problem is that we cannot recommend anything that is not compliant with federal regulations and building codes.

It is illegal to install any cover that is not certified to current standards.

Anyone involved in installing non-compliant covers will incur tremendous liability if anything happens.

One hundred percent true

 

[anthonywinter]

follow up- zoomed in on the faded possible logo on this cover. Maybe this can help identify the brand?

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That is a csi branded pool drain cover model 4-1-10-20 It’s is no longer in production, it’s hard to find mail. It’s a really really rare cover. My best option is to replace it, but the Hayward wgx1051av or Hayward WG one zero 48 – E

 

[anthonywinter]

I have 12 of these in my pool, spa and water feature/pond both on the floor drains and side intakes. No way am I replacing all of these!!!!!

Like you my son broke it. In his defense it is likely 20+ years old and chlorine weakened. Fortunately I have an old spare the PO left behind. I will put that in the pond wall intake and move that to the main drain.

I also have one of those in ground pop up cleaning systems and live about 5 miles from Scottsdale AirPark. All of my neighbors have the exact same setups and hardware.

Options I see are 3d print, eBay used (haven’t seen any) or custom fab from stainless/ plastic or other material.

Any other ideas greatly welcome.

I always really wanted this cover new old stock for my pool drain cover collection. The ones I see is the three printed ones and I don’t want 3-D printed one. I want new old stock this cover cannot find on eBay anymore.

 

[anthonywinter]

This drain cover is a vgb covet 12 of this will work

 

[anthonywinter]

You can find this drain cover the only website can find at poolwarehouse.com. That’s the only website that sells this cover but the other one to stay right maybe with the triangles they don’t make that one anymore. I don’t know this is a direct fit to replace CSI drain cover. I saw the cover it looked like the stay right cover with the prism great. 0751. 1751 and 2751. Stay right does not make that cover anymore. The only cover you definitely fine from Penta. Stargard drain cover. From Pentair waters that probably will be like a direct fit to replace the cover. Hayward WG1048-E drain cover. Plastics round drain cover there is a 3-D printed version of that CSI drain cover star has a round ring covers and other companies like that too. In finding brand new sealed in its package CSI drain cover is very rare. I mean extremely rare. What do VG law came to act every flat drink cover has been obsolete except for the big giant ones for commercial square ones and circle ones it very hard to find a cover and got balled out from players pulled out that company and cleaning systems are becoming less common than poor robots and that pool drain cover is 77 gallons per hour and Hayward WG 1048E is 125 gallons per hour on the floor for my best is to replace the cover with a vgb compliant cover