Arm and Hammer washing soda clarification

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I need to raise alkalinity and ph so the suggestion is washing soda aka soda ash. How much do I figure for A&H super washing soda if that's what I can get immediately. Is it 2.7 times the poolmath calculation by weight. I'm just confused and can't screw up here. Thanks in advance.
 

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I would suspect that the CYA is probably very high and then you will have to address that immediately.

You have to use corrected TA when the CYA is over 80 ppm because it has such a large effect.

For example, if the TA is 30 and the CYA is 90, then your corrected "Carbonate" Alkalinity is actually 0, which becomes a big problem.

In that example, I would raise the TA by 80 ppm and immediately address the CYA by significant dilution.

I would never use washing soda (Sodium Carbonate) for any reason.
 
I think they haven't been treating with trichlor keeping up with the FC so something tells me that the CYA is correct but I'll check it once more . If in fact the CYA is in a normal range say 30 then I can just take care of the TA as mentioned before. Ty
 
If in fact the CYA is in a normal range say 30 then I can just take care of the TA as mentioned before.
Yes, just increase the TA to about 80 to 100, which will correct the TA and pH.

However, you need to monitor the TA and pH as you use tabs because the tabs are acidic.

50 lbs of trichlor in a 25,000 gallon pool will:

Raise fc by 219 ppm

Raise CYA by 133 ppm

Raise salt by 179 ppm

Lower TA by 154 ppm

To raise TA by 154 ppm, you need 63 lb of baking soda.

So, you need 1.14 lb baking soda per lb of trichlor to offset the TA loss.

7 lb of trichlor requires 8 lb of baking soda to keep the TA constant.

In the above case with a CYA of 133 ppm, the CYA contributes about 133/3 = 44 ppm of the TA.

So, if the Carbonate Alkalinity started at 100 ppm the TA would also be 100 ppm.

However, at CYA = 133 ppm, the carbonate alkalinity will be 100 - 44 = 56 ppm.

To keep the carbonate alkalinity constant, you would need to end up with a TA of 144.

So, you need to add 154 + 44 = 198 ppm.

To raise TA by 198 ppm in 25,000 gallons, you need 73 lb of baking soda.

You need 1.46 lb baking soda per lb of trichlor to keep the carbonate alkalinity constant.

10 lbs of trichlor requires 11.4 lbs of baking soda to keep the Total Alkalinity constant.

10 lbs of trichlor requires 14.6 lbs of baking soda to keep the Carbonate Alkalinity constant.
 
36 lbs of trichlor in a 36,000 gallon pool will:

Raise fc by 110 ppm.

Raise CYA by 67 ppm.

Raise salt by 90 ppm.

Lower TA by 77 ppm.

You need 1.14 lb baking soda per lb of trichlor to offset the TA loss.

For example, if you use 7 tabs, that is about 49 oz of trichlor or about 3 pounds.

This will require adding 3.5 pounds of baking soda to offset the TA loss due to the tabs.
 
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