UV/Ozone - Wish I Would Have Known

[LSU]

Our pool (outdoor) is almost completed, water goes in on Friday. I am at work and was making some notes to get ready for everything I will have to learn (we are first time pool owners). I was just reading this in the UV description:

"UV, in combination with a sanitizer, is very nice for use with an indoor pool. UV can take care of the CC which tends to build up in indoor pools. UV is not worth it for an outdoor pool, where sunlight performs the same function for free."

My pool builder has already installed a DEL AOP 40 Ozone/UV-C Sanitizer, even though we are outside, and apparently its really not needed. That's about $1400-$1800. I did not find out about this group until very recently from a coworker that has a salt water pool. I guess we are just stuck with a useless piece of equipment now. Should I be calling them and telling them to come remove it before we introduce water to it? Will it help at all? Or totally useless and I should get that money refunded? Thanks!

 

[mknauss]

If you can get it removed and money refunded, do it. Otherwise you might see what it will take to remove it and sell it locally.
It actually will consume FC. And do little else for your outdoor pool.

 

[LSU]

I messaged my pool salesman and told him to come take it out prior to the water going in on Friday, and to provide me with the refund for that associated cost. I am glad I saw all this. This would have been an ongoing cost associated with the pool, and maintenance down the road.

 

[LSU]

If you can get it removed and money refunded, do it. Otherwise you might see what it will take to remove it and sell it locally.
It actually will consume FC. And do little else for your outdoor pool.

Can you tell me a bit more about it actually consuming FC?

 

[JJ_Tex]

Can you tell me a bit more about it actually consuming FC?

UV consumes chlorine, regardless of it being from the sun or your UV system. You will have both consuming chlorine for little to no benefit to you.
Your salesman may lose out on a cruise or reward trip though

 

[LSU]

UV consumes chlorine, regardless of it being from the sun or your UV system. You will have both consuming chlorine for little to no benefit to you.
Your salesman may lose out on a cruise or reward trip though

I am sure he was not happy to see my text message a few minutes ago. I am sure I will hear from him tomorrow. I also posted another thread on a power clean chlorinator that they have in my plumbing. Would you mind taking a look at that thread and seeing what you think?

 

[Mdragger88]

You don’t really need an inline puck feeder.
You have a swcg correct?
If you happen to need to use a couple pucks for some reason a $5 floater will suffice & not risk damaging your other equipment that is down stream of the chlorinator with acidic trichlor pucks.
If they wanna sell you something you could upgrade to the ic60 cell instead. It is a simple swap & worth the slightly higher expense.
Here’s some info on what to expect & what needs to be done with your new fill & plaster startup so you know what’s going on & if they drop the ball.

Just Filled Your Pool with Water? Here's What To Do Next - Further Reading

www.troublefreepool.com

I don’t see a test kit in your signature- be sure to get one on order asap so you are ready to care for your new investment as soon as filling commences.
The Tf100 or tfpro salt
Or the taylor k2006c +salt kit are the only ones we recommend due to the tests they contain.
Test Kits Compared

 

[LSU]

You don’t really need an inline puck feeder.
You have a swcg correct?
If you happen to need to use a couple pucks for some reason a $5 floater will suffice & not risk damaging your other equipment that is down stream of the chlorinator with acidic trichlor pucks.
If they wanna sell you something you could upgrade to the ic60 cell instead. It is a simple swap & worth the slightly higher expense.
Here’s some info on what to expect & what needs to be done with your new fill & plaster startup so you know what’s going on & if they drop the ball.

Just Filled Your Pool with Water? Here's What To Do Next - Further Reading

www.troublefreepool.com

I don’t see a test kit in your signature- be sure to get one on order asap so you are ready to care for your new investment as soon as filling commences.
The Tf100 or tfpro salt
Or the taylor k2006c +salt kit are the only ones we recommend due to the tests they contain.
Test Kits Compared

I do have a SWG, an Intellichlor IC40. I updated my signature to reflect the TFPro Salt. It just came in. Just trying to wrap my head around when I would need pucks in a floater. Still new here, but learning. I am making a binder for our pool with all this info from the site, so we can refer to it on the fly outside if we need to.

 

[BDY]

Think of a UV feeder as being an artificial sun in your system. Sunshine degrades chlorine… whether natural or artificial

If you are in east Texas i would think you would keep the pool open in winter? SWG
Works until about 50 degrees water … then chlorine is needed. My PB told me
I needed the feeder for winter. But chlorine degrades more slowly in colder water and in weak sunshine, so a little liquid chlorine goes a long way in winter months….

Hence the advice to ignore the UV and the feeder

And if they say it’s needed for vacation - that’s what the SWG is for!

My 2 cents

 

[BDY]

Also - highly suggest running VSP at 24/7 low speed given you have Swg. The power savings, and running SWG lower % longer is a marriage made in heaven - and you have the combination VSP, SWG and automation to do it

Multiple threads about running 24/7 and the benefits of a VSP

I run 24/7 at low rpm for about 14$ a month… constant filter, constant chlorine, low cost… happy owner

 

[LSU]

Think of a UV feeder as being an artificial sun in your system. Sunshine degrades chlorine… whether natural or artificial

If you are in east Texas i would think you would keep the pool open in winter? SWG
Works until about 50 degrees water … then chlorine is needed. My PB told me
I needed the feeder for winter. But chlorine degrades more slowly in colder water and in weak sunshine, so a little liquid chlorine goes a long way in winter months….

Hence the advice to ignore the UV and the feeder

And if they say it’s needed for vacation - that’s what the SWG is for!

My 2 cents

Appreciate that insight!

 

[Saturn94]

I do have a SWG, an Intellichlor IC40. I updated my signature to reflect the TFPro Salt. It just came in. Just trying to wrap my head around when I would need pucks in a floater. Still new here, but learning. I am making a binder for our pool with all this info from the site, so we can refer to it on the fly outside if we need to.

We’ve used a SWCG since 2004. We’ve NEVER used or needed pucks.

 

[LSU]

Also - highly suggest running VSP at 24/7 low speed given you have Swg. The power savings, and running SWG lower % longer is a marriage made in heaven - and you have the combination VSP, SWG and automation to do it

Multiple threads about running 24/7 and the benefits of a VSP

I run 24/7 at low rpm for about 14$ a month… constant filter, constant chlorine, low cost… happy owner

Excellent! Thanks for that info as well!

 

[LSU]

We’ve used a SWCG since 2004. We’ve NEVER used or needed pucks.

Do you have an inline chlorinator, or nah? Just the SWG?

 

[BDY]

See this thread ongoing now

Pentair Intelliflo VSF - RPM speed

I have been reading a lot of the questions and answers on run time and speed for VSP. I am a new pool owner, 27.5k gallons, 3HP Intelliflo VSF and a FNS Plus DE filter and SWG. I currently run my pump for 12 hours at 2.8k RPM which turns my pool over 1.5times. Should I run my pump at 1.4k...

www.troublefreepool.com

 

[Saturn94]

Do you have an inline chlorinator, or nah? Just the SWG?

Nope, never had an inline chlorinator, just the SWCG since the pool was built. If I need to bump up chlorine, I just use liquid chlorine (normally just at opening and closing).

 

[dailygenesis]

We installed a new pool last summer and we were first timers as well. Our pool builder also included the Del AOP - same thing you have. I didn't know anything at the time but quickly learned, mostly from this forum, that the AOP is basically useless.

We also had the inline tab feeder, but we don't have an SWG, so tabs were the primary way we sanitized at first. Once I found TFP and started actually testing, found that our CYA was sky high. Quickly switched to liquid chlorine and have been using that ever since.

I still have the AOP installed. As some have noted, it is likely using some FC, but my FC use doesn't seem extreme. I'm mostly just waiting for the right time to have it removed and considering whether I add an SWG at the same time.

Since I work at home and don't travel much, using LC isn't too bad for me. It's worked great since I made the switch. The AOP just sits there, doing its thing, and by "its thing" I mean nothing

I'm curious -- were you successful in getting that module removed and refunded before startup?

 

[Newdude]

When the water is cold enough that the SWG shuts off, the daily UV demand is considerably less. Think of a bell curve where it goes from nothing, to alot, back to nothing.

That 4ppm that might not make it through the day in August might last 2 weeks in January. People dump in double at that point and it lasts a month sometimes.

 

[LSU]

We installed a new pool last summer and we were first timers as well. Our pool builder also included the Del AOP - same thing you have. I didn't know anything at the time but quickly learned, mostly from this forum, that the AOP is basically useless.

We also had the inline tab feeder, but we don't have an SWG, so tabs were the primary way we sanitized at first. Once I found TFP and started actually testing, found that our CYA was sky high. Quickly switched to liquid chlorine and have been using that ever since.

I still have the AOP installed. As some have noted, it is likely using some FC, but my FC use doesn't seem extreme. I'm mostly just waiting for the right time to have it removed and considering whether I add an SWG at the same time.

Since I work at home and don't travel much, using LC isn't too bad for me. It's worked great since I made the switch. The AOP just sits there, doing its thing, and by "its thing" I mean nothing

I'm curious -- were you successful in getting that module removed and refunded before startup?

I will let you know. I messaged the salesman tonight, and will be talking to him tomorrow. Water goes in the pool Friday, so I have asked them to come take it out before then, and refund the money for that item. I may be doing the same for the inline chlorinator.

 

[BDY]

I second the upgrade to an IC60 if you can swing it …. Will extend life of your cell vs usage and also give you a lot of headroom to make chlorine as needed. The cost benefits of buying larger cell vs buying replacement cell earlier make sense


Having said that …
IC40 is just fine - this forum recommends 2x your pool size. iC60 is a “nice to have”…