Using AI (gptchat) to check my work as a new pool owner

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atxhydeparkpool

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Mar 5, 2023
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Austin, TX
Pool Size
16545
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Liquid Chlorine
We've been getting conflicting info on Calcium Hardness from our pool cleaner, online tools, and from Leslie Pools. So, I tried AI!

Here's my first Prompt:

Help us plan our pool treatments. The pool is 13558 gallons, gunnite with a quartzite surface. The water and air temp are both 74 F. - Free chlorine = 7.5 - Combined chlorine = 1 - Ph 7.2 - Acid demand 3 drop - Total alkalinity 100 - Calcium hardness 350

Here's the AI response:

Based on the information you provided, here's a plan for treating your pool:

  1. Adjust the pH: The pH of your pool water is 7.2, which is slightly acidic. It's ideal to maintain the pH level between 7.2 and 7.8 to ensure comfortable swimming and to prevent corrosion of equipment and surfaces. To raise the pH, you can add a sodium carbonate (soda ash) solution. To lower the pH, you can add a sodium bisulfate (dry acid) solution. In this case, you need to raise the pH slightly to around 7.4-7.6.
  2. Adjust the total alkalinity: The total alkalinity in your pool is 100, which is within the recommended range of 80-120 ppm. Total alkalinity helps to stabilize the pH of the pool water, so it's important to keep it in the recommended range.
  3. Adjust the calcium hardness: The calcium hardness in your pool is 350 ppm, which is on the high side of the recommended range of 200-400 ppm. High calcium hardness can cause scaling and cloudy water, so you may need to consider reducing it by partially draining and refilling the pool with fresh water.
  4. Shock the pool: The combined chlorine reading of 1 ppm indicates that there is some chloramine formation in the water, which can cause eye irritation and strong chlorine odor. To remove chloramines, you can shock the pool with a high dose of chlorine. You can use a non-chlorine shock or a fast-dissolving granular chlorine.
  5. Monitor chlorine levels: After shocking the pool, you should monitor the free chlorine levels and adjust as needed to maintain a level of 1-3 ppm. This will help to kill any remaining bacteria and other contaminants in the water.
This is a general plan for treating your pool. Always remember to follow the manufacturer's instructions and safety precautions when using any pool chemicals.


TLDR; looks like someone peed in the pool but more importantly, it's recommending water replacement for calcium hardness.

According to TFP ranges our calcium hardness is on the low side of normal. This is why I'm confused!

Pool was installed in October 2022 and our builder is a piece of work that requires legal action to do anything so going back there isn't working right now.

Nice to meet y'all!

Alan
 
atxhydeparkpool said:
According to TFP ranges our calcium hardness is on the low side of normal. This is why I'm confused!
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AI chat is in its infancy. It's getting C's all day long and this is no different. :ROFLMAO:

How are you testing ? We only trust Taylor drop based kits as the others have proven time and time again to be unreliable. If you don't believe me, check the bottom right corner of the page. We have 337k members over 15 years and this isn't our first rodeo. The collective wisdom here is off the charts. :)


Oh my. Please excuse my terrible manners. Welcome to TFP !!!!!!

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Oh Lord, AI … 🤦‍♂️

Please, stick to real humans. These AI bots are not your friend.

Your pH and TA are fine. In fact, your TA is probably going to be too high (once the weather warms up) and your pH rise from too much carbonate alkalinity is going to cause a huge acid demand. Depending on what your fill water looks like, you will most definitely want it lower than 100pm and very likely lower than 80ppm.

Your CH is fine. You live in a sort of the USA where water has ridiculously high calcium hardness. You don’t need to add any and it will rise on its own with evaporation and refill.

I would wait for the sun to get higher in the sky and your water to warm up a bit before you decide to go off and shock the pool. Those CC readings will likely go away on their own. And NEVER use non-chlorine shock in a pool. It’s a waste and it can cause damage to equipment like SWGs.

ChatGPT is a toy … stick to real advice from real people.
 
I was reading a well-looking blog post today about some landscape lighting near pools. Halfway through, I realized it was AI generated. They started talking about making sure the a/c receptacle "in the pool" was GFI, and to "plug the lights into the receptacle in the water", etc...... and from there is got more nonsensical. Quickly realized this AI thingy pulled a ton of info, but could not organize it reliably.
 
There’s a huge flaw in the plan aside from listening to a robot & Leslie’s …
No cya level is mentioned.
The chat bot obviously doesn’t care but you definitely should
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atxhydeparkpool said:
We've been getting conflicting info on Calcium Hardness from our pool cleaner, online tools, and from Leslie Pools. So, I tried AI!
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You know how you see all sorts of conflicting info…..so does AI. Right now ChatGPT was trained by “scraping” the internet to learn. The info it spits out was trained on the same conflicting info you’re seeing.

ChatGPT is basically an advertisement for the real product, OpenAI’s API. Once developers get ahold of this and start fine tuning the details, then things will get interesting. Until then, ChatGPT is an amazing tool……but make sure you verify the info you’re getting.
 
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Leebo said:
Once developers (@Leebo) get ahold of this (he already has) and start fine tuning the details (with all the awesome information on TFP and analytics from PoolMath App data) , then things will get interesting (which is to say I will create a TFP AI app and her name will be … KAREN).
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There ya go, I fixed that sentence for you …
 
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