Renovate / New pool cost spread

[Mattlar0806]

Hi Everyone,

I’ve asked already about the general idea of renovating for rip out + new pool. The overwhelming feedback was to renovate which I can understand the logic here. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it, in this don’t case rip it out.

However, I am having trouble coming to terms with the relative cost of both projects which makes me keep coming back to wanting a new pool.

The renovation project is nearly 6 figures while the new pool (not including rip out) is $25000 more.

Both projects would share all the new pool stuff - marble dusting, tile, coping, plumbing, all new equipment (no heater I have already, no automation either)

The renovation- has the added work of removing old plaster, tile - moving skimmers and returns, fixing main drain. We have an attached raised overflow spa that we are removing so this wall needs to be rebuilt. (Demo cost of spa separate).

Would you think the spread here is only 25000? Part of me thinks renovations are harder and a premium gets charged and there is better value in just letting them do a new pool.

Thoughts?

 

[Newdude]

Would you think the spread here is only 25000?

Get a solid estimate for the rip out. It could add lots to the spread and seriously alter the math.

 

[Mattlar0806]

Get a solid estimate for the rip out. It could add lots to the spread and seriously alter the math.

I have solid estimate for rip out.
I have so much demo around my pool. Old wood deck. Under it is another concrete slab. An entire section of old blue stone patio plus lots of vegetation. It’s actually cheaper to have a demo only company come tear it ALL out vs having my mason build in demo prices.

 

[Newdude]

So what are those costs to see the two options out the door ?

 

[Mattlar0806]

So what are those costs to see the two options out the d

good question. New pool creates a few more small synergies where the spread gets narrower - better patio design and lowering the height (less fill needed to level my yard).

Also, we are doing all new ~1650sqft patio and a rock waterfall with built in 26ft dolphin water slide. So it’s a big job but those features are the masons work not the pool company.

New pool is about 20k more all in on a 215k job or 20k on 85k pool renovation depending on how you want to think about it.

 

[Mattlar0806]

I guess I was expecting the renovation to save me a lot more money. It’s a lot to commit to a 30yr old shell despite what they say about the longevity.

 

[Newdude]

I guess I was expecting the renovation to save me a lot more money.

If it's just a face-lift, then yes, but you're going buck wild with retrofits. I agree with them, and nows the time, but they don't come cheap.

Major renovations on older homes or restorations on old cars are similar that they can approach or even surpass the cost of new.


Got any pics ?

 

[Mattlar0806]

If it's just a face-lift, then yes, but you're going buck wild with retrofits. I agree with them, and nows the time, but they don't come cheap.

Major renovations on older homes or restorations on old cars are similar that they can approach or even surpass the cost of new.


Got any pics ?

So under all that wood deck is an old concrete slab. Other side of the shallow end fence is another large blue stone patio and slab that’s getting removed

We are not doing the sun deck. Too might weight to add to the shell. The existing pool would not change depth either.

 

[Mattlar0806]

So had old pool drilled today. Found out some interesting details.
Pool is consistent 5inches thick.
Pool was built inside an old vinyl shell (if you drill on sides you hit metal walls.
Pools floor slope is very steep way beyond 3:1.

Builder says no absolute red flags to renovate as the shell is in great shape.

But he says New pools are built with thicker rebar, different rebar structure and thicker Gunite etc.

Anything I say above a flag to remove?