Please advise a lube for shaft / mechanical seal in a small pool pump (BestWay FlowClear)

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Hello community,

One more noob here, DIY'er by spirit and first-time pool owner.
Need advice on the lubiraction of mechanical seal, per thread subject.
Also, an advice about proper tightening of the same thing would be nice as well.
Here's the history and details to give an idea of condition and environment:

I bought a Bestway Flowclear 24'x12'x4' oval pool (~6,000gal) with sand filter in Costco this year summer, installed and used it very lightly (once a week or less), but kept the sand filter running most of the time until last month. The water was initially tap, but now likely mostly rainwater. The pool is under large treeI so I keep it covered to protect from birds goo, and drop a 3" chlorinating pill about every week,into the strainer basket.
The sand filter is 1500 GPM / 0.47 HP / 1.5" pipe pump, model 58498E (this one).

Due to my own sloppiness and carelessness, I abused (overloaded + under-primed, + clorine-poisoned) the flow system, and eventually the working pressure went up from 5 10 10 psi within a few days. For the last month I only ran the filter during day time, and one day the pump gave a humming sound and did not start. I turned it off, on again, it started but after a few hours I noticed some thick sticky grease, like a tar, in the strainer basket. I thought the pump spewed it off, can't think of anything else.

I powered off the pump, cleaned the basket and pump, incl. pressure chamber, removed the sand (felt like all chlorine and some of that goo, which might caused the PSI go up twice), the impeller was rotating easily and the motor appeared alive, but as I tried to figure out where the grease came from, and where to refill it, I took the whole thing apart, completely, to the last bolt, except for the motor itself, so I learned a lot abot centrifugal pumps and mechanical seals over this weekend.
The paired surfaces of mechanical seals look like ring mirrors, no visual damage, so I am putting the thing back together.
But I think I need to put some lubricant on mechanical seal surface(s)m right?

And there is no such thing as universal lubricant, there must be something narrowly-suiitable for small pool pumps of this caliber, right?

So... can someone advise the lube -- silicone? teflon? lithium?

Attaching image below to show both surfaces. The outer diameter of rotating seal (on the left) is apprx. 3/4", inner is close to 5/8". If I just put impeller back in place into its chamber, and pour water over, it does not leak out, so I assume the seal is still in decent shape. just needs proper lube?

BestWay-58498E-ShaftSeal.jpg

And if anyone can share any insight, what is that thick black sticky substabce, where it came from and why? One buyer of the same model on Amazon had the same issue, and Bestway had no idea how did that happen...

Thank you for your attention!
-Me
 
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Welcome to TFP.

There is no grease used around any pool equipment.

The only thing that is used is Pool Lube - Further Reading on O rings.

The mechanical seal uses no grease.

It sounds like the black sticky stuff may be plastic that deteriorated from the acid in the tablets you put int he strainer basket.

In the future put Trichlor tablets in a floater in the pool so that the acid does not hit your equipment.

For next season consider...

 
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@allen, thank you for quick response!

I would love to agree that the thick gum/tar -like black substance (my main concern) is deteriorated plastic that came of some part partially dissolved concentrated chlorine, but this means I need to find and replace this part, right?
My only suspect is the impeller, as I don't see other black plastic parts in this pump and there are no traces of such substance in the pool... I'm not sure how thick the impeller blades shall be, no part number to search by for a reference pucture... Amazon has just simplistic versopms of this kind under "impeller" search, they are only remotely similar...
Impeller1.jpg

Diameter is close to 2.5"

Impeller2.jpg
Does this one (two pictures above) seem deteriorated to you?

And, speaking of lubricant:
I am not a mechanical engineer, so I trust your experience that spring-pressed polished ceramic+metal surfaces rubbing against each other in constant circular motion and exposed to water under ~5psi pressure shall not need lubricant to prevent untimely wear and failure.

But I am a bit confused with your response after what I did read earlier (before starting this thread, which was the main reason for posting) in articles like "worst ## mistakes replacing mechanical seal" that state one of such mistakes is "using no lube or wrong lube". Training videos for pump technicians I checked on YouTube show sometimes they put lubricant on the mating surfaces of mechanical seals and assert that the lube is seal specific.

As I have no way to monitor the runtime condition of this seal, I would like to understand why the need for lube does not apply to my pump? Is there a RPM or size pr other factor that makes the difference?

Thanks again,
SameMe.
 
Read Pump Seals - Further Reading

You use a lubricant to slide the seal onto the shaft. You want something that provides only transient lubricity. You can use a seal installation lubricant such as P-80 or US Sealube or dish soap. A Hayward video suggests vegetable oil.

The ceramic or carbide shaft seal is self lubricating.
 
@allen, thanks for clarification!
Yes, I saw something like this, but it didn't come to my attention at a time that the lube is intended for shaft itself, not for the mating surfaces.
Now, getting nose tothe table...
Thanks again,
-S.
 
@allen or anyone:
I assembled the pump back, it is running, I don't see any impairment to flow, or pressure (back to regular 5psi), or power consumption (less than 500 watts). No leaks. The pump primes quickly and does not lose the prime. But:
- There is now a bit of water flow (maybe 1 gal/hr) coming out of discharge port, it wasn't like that before. I didn't put apart the output diversion system, just the pump itself, so I see no way why would any valve become loose. Not much concerned, so mentioning only if it makes sense in view of below:
- The pump sound has changed. It was a rather quiet healthy medium-pitch humming noise before, something that I would expect from a motor and pump in a good working condition. Now it is louder and got a higher-pitch tone, almost like a whistle. I did use the pump for a few hours and it didn't break or heat, so it is just the sound that feels unhealthy to me. Does not change much if I pass the output through the sand filter, or direct. The sound seems to be coming from the area of impeller chamber, or the side of the motor.
I made a couple of short videos to show, can upload here or youtube if that helps.
Can anyone suggest what may got wrong with the pump or water flow?

Thanks,
-S.
 
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