Closing Pool: Blow out connection Questions...

Jun 24, 2017
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York/PA
Sorry if this has been answered... I read bunches of posts, but I can't find the answer I need.

I'm looking to close my pool for the first time. It was installed last November, so the pool company closed it included in the installation.

When they opened it, they left the skimmer gizmos and two solid return-jet plugs (screw in once the 'eyeballs' are removed), the cover and the tools for the cover. I think they should have left a dummy pipe for the Salt Water Chlorine Generator... but they did not.

I want to try blowing out my lines with my shop vac. It is 6.25 peak HP (fairly good-sized Vac). The piping runs are not all that long and, I think, pretty simple... Two bottom drains, two skimmers, two returns.

My biggest question would be... what is the easiest way to hook up the shop vac to the system? I have read about using the threaded drain outlets in the pump and pump basket, but it seems that would really restrict the flow. On the other hand, with the exception of blowing into the inlet of the pump basket, or the pipe where I have removed the SWCG, I don't know where else to connect. Could I go in through the waste connection? Air up the entire system with the filter valve set to waste?

Is there danger to blowing air through the SWCG cell? Is it necessary to put in a dummy pipe before doing this?

I think my plumbing is pretty simple... the far left is return from the bottom drains (both), then there are return from the skimmers, then there is the supply under the SWCG.

The valves on the main bottom drains are simply open/closed. The Skimmers valve give a choice of both open, both closed, or one open/one closed.

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Also, is it necessary to blow air through the pump, or will removing the plugs and allowing the pump, basket, and filter to drain be sufficient? Conversely, does it hurt anything if I DO blow air through these? Will air even pass through the pump?

(As I said, I have read the posts about closing below 60, bringing it up to SLAM levels before closing etc. I'm just looking for help suggestions on the physical act of blowing out the lines.)

My best plan that I could come up with was to connect to lower the water below the skimmers, connect the vac to the waste pipe with the filter set to closed, move both of the return valves to 'full closed' and blow air into the system. All of the air should be directed to the returns, which I cap while the air is on (may consider lowering the pool level below the returns to do this if I can't get them capped). Then with the return plugs in place I can open the one skimmer and blow that out, inserting the gizmo into the strainer. Switch the valve to blow out the other skimmer, insert that gizmo. Open the main drain until I am getting a good stream of bubbles, then close that valve with the understanding that having that valve closed will keep water out of the drain...

Please let me know if I am on the right track...

Thank you!
Chris
 
Is there danger to blowing air through the SWCG cell? Is it necessary to put in a dummy pipe before doing this?

I am definitely not an expert by any means, but I have closed my pool by myself since it was built (May 2014). I have always closed with the salt water cell in place, and have had no issues. After I've cleared all the water from the lines and plugged the returns, I remove the cell and store it in the basement for the winter. I also put a plug in the lines where the cell would be, just to keep any critters from finding a home for the winter lol. It may not be necessary but I don't want a surprise when I open either.
 
Thanks for the response. I took the cell off and looked at it. I agree that there should be no restriction to keep from blowing through there.

Now... Where do you connect the blower? Every post just says, "Blow out the line" some suggest the 'modified pump basket cover'... but provided I don't have one of those... How and where do I connect the blower to the system?

Does it matter which side of the pump it is on? Will air pass through the pump, or do I have to blow from one side of the pump and then from the other?

Help!?!

-Chris
 
Now... Where do you connect the blower? Every post just says, "Blow out the line" some suggest the 'modified pump basket cover'... but provided I don't have one of those... How and where do I connect the blower to the system?

Does it matter which side of the pump it is on? Will air pass through the pump, or do I have to blow from one side of the pump and then from the other?

Help!?!

-Chris

I use an air compressor. I have an adapter that screws into the bottom of the pump basket and then I attach the air compressor to the adapter. What side you choose doesn't matter, as long as the pump basket lid is closed so that your air doesn't escape. I can take a picture of the adapter I have if that will help.
 
Work from the unions at the pump basket. The suction side is one set of unions and the return side is the other set of unions.

I don't think I can do this. If you look at my photos everything is cemented except where it goes into the pump and where it comes out, the loop for the swcg and of course the waste drain.

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I can take a picture of the adapter I have if that will help.

Yes, please. As I said in the above reply, almost every connection is permanent.

A photo would be a huge help!
 
I don't think I can do this. If you look at my photos everything is cemented except where it goes into the pump and where it comes out, the loop for the swcg and of course the waste drain.

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Yes, please. As I said in the above reply, almost every connection is permanent.

A photo would be a huge help!
Pic is attached. Your pad looks similar to mine. I remove the rubber drain plug from the pump basket and insert the silver adapter for my air compressor. It is a threaded connection so be careful.
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Lordnorth:

The 1.5 " hose is flexible enough to place in the pump basket. See pictures below. The other end fits on the adapter that comes with the Cyclone. Outside of this, you can use an air compressor and NPT fitting as shown in the picture above.

This is the suction side:

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This is the return side:

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As you can see in the picture, the other end of the hose will fit snugly on the black adapter of the Cyclone. The 1.5" hose and Cyclone part #'s are in my thread of the modified cover.

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A shop vac may not be enough for the main drain. An air compressor will do the trick and especially the professional pool blower, the Cyclone.

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Would I be able to do the same thing with a cyclone?

Can I do both the returns and the drain/skimmers from this point?

The Cyclone will be able to handle any task with a swimming pool. As per the pictures above, you can work with the flexible hose at the pump basket (inside), or at the skimmers with an adapter (the same adapter that is on my cover) that the hose attaches to, or with an air compressor and NPF fitting.
 
Catanzaro,

Okay, I feel like I'm getting closer... but I'm still not there...

The hose, I believe, is NOT included with the Cyclone... Do I need to get one with any particular fittings?

Or is it the same hose that I hook into the plate to use on my vacuum through the skimmer? I looked at your photo, but I don't see any way to do it in my basket (the ports are bigger than the hose and there are no threads...) I have a Pentar pump (https://www.amazon.com/Pentair-011017-IntelliFlo-Performance-Horsepower/dp/B002FQJ2TM) So maybe it is just that mine won't work that way.

But it looks like I could attach it to my 'waste' connection and turn the valve to 'waste' and pressurize the entire system that way.

Am I on the right track here?

I'm sorry I'm not getting this, we just seem to be talking past each other.

Chris
 

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Chris:

Remove the cover on your pump and the basket inside. You will see the holes that go to the suction side and return side. The hose is flexible enough to get in there as shown in my post above. The black hose is hooked up to the Cyclone and you can order longer than 3', but that is what I have. The modified cover post has all the parts from pool parts on line. In addition, you can order an adapter that will fit on the hose and thread into the skimmer.

Modified Cover for Hayward Super Pump for Closing Swimming Pool

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https://www.poolpartsonline.com/p-89573-15-x-125in-combo-hose-adapter.aspx

This above should work in the skimmer if blowing air through the skimmer.

Below is the hose that you need to order (pick your length)

https://www.poolpartsonline.com/p-593-pump-to-filter-hose-for-above-ground-pools.aspx

The part #'s have changed from what I can see. You will need the 1.5" hose by 3' or 5' or longer.
 
Remove the cover on your pump and the basket inside. You will see the holes that go to the suction side and return side. The hose is flexible enough to get in there as shown in my post above. The black hose is hooked up to the Cyclone and you can order longer than 3', but that is what I have.

I see what you are saying, but I *think* that because you have the Hayward and I have the Pentair... that is what is causing the problems. I opened up my basket, and I see what you are talking about... and I tried to attach the hose there.. but the opening are so big that there is no possible way to make it seal. As a matter of fact, there is no possible way to make it even stay in. I can jam it in as far as it can, and because of the round basket, it STILL doesn't go far enough in to stay in place.

I DO think that I will be able to connect it to my waste pipe. I tried last night with my vacuum hose and it seemed to be a pretty good fit. Might stick a hose clamp on it if I have any leaks.

Can you see a reason that I can't hook up to the waste pipe, turn the main valve to waste, make sure the cover is on the basket, and blow it out that way?

I think it should work... I'm just trying to find out if there is anything I could damage (Pump?) doing it that way.

I'm trying it this way because the skimmers are lower than the pump, so I would assume I would get out more water blowing TOWARD the skimmers, than I would AWAY from them. If my way doesn't work I will go the skimmer route.

Thanks for your patience!!!!

-Chris
 
The hose is flexible and the seal does not have to be tight. If you have the Cyclone, trust me, air will move at a velocity where you will clear your lines. You will need the hose anyway. I would suggest you order the hose and the adapter to the skimmer. If you can not work from the pump basket, you can easily work from the skimmer line. You would place MPV on recirculate and move air from the skimmer port and use the shut off valves to redirect air where you need it to go. Thanks!
 
If you are working from the skimmer, close the main drain with the valve. Then close the second skimmer with the valve. MPV on recirculate. Clear out all the return lines, etc. Shut off blower so no backpressure is there at the last return (quickly). Then open basket and use a rubber plug to close off the return side in the housing. Put lid back on and now open the second skimmer. Blow out the second skimmer and then shut off blower. Close the second skimmer with the shut off valve and open the main drain valve. Now turn on the blower and allow the main drain to bubble for about 45 seconds to 1 minute. Quickly close the valve at the main drain and you will here the air lock. At the same time you close the main drain shut off the blower to avoid backpressure. You are done and now can winterize the filter and put cover on, etc.
 
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