Century (Regal) VGreen motor automation

It was almost a year ago, but I will try to recap. I needed an older Mac to get coolterm working (one running an older Os - I think 10.13 in my case. Then I needed to google a serial driver for the Mac to run the adaptor in the USB port. Once I installed the serial driver on the mac (I used an older MacBook air) the rest was very smooth and straightforward.
 
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Has anyone tested this setup with EVQ165 VGreen EVO 1.65?
I originally ordered the VGreen EVO thinking that there would be the same automation support, but it looks like the serial 485 port is dead/useless. I returned the EVO and got the ECM16SQU. Eating the 20% restocking fee is worth it for me to be able to control everything through my aqualink.
 
HI all,

Thanks for the great info.

Can someone help me out with setting Priming Duration (disable priming)?

The Modbus doc indicates priming duration can be 0, 3-15 mins. Default OFF.

I'm able to set priming duration to these numbers. Then save to flash. The setting is retained even after power loss.

However, I'm having issue with setting priming duration to 0:

1. I can actually set priming duration to 0 with this

15 64 20 8A 02 01 00 5C 6A

2. If I read it back,
Read Priming Duration
15 64 20 0A 02 00 59 B4

I get the correct result that priming is disabled.

3. I then save to permanent memory. Turn off breaker. After power is restored, the Priming duration resets to

15 64 10 0A 02 00 12 B4 33

Given that 12 in hexadecimal is 18 in decimal, and considering the range provided for priming duration is from 0 to 15 minutes, the received value seems to be outside the expected range.


4. I repeated this numerous times and got the same behaviour. Basically, if priming duration is set to 0, the system will accept this input but will reset to 18 minutes even if I save to permanent memory. This random reset doesn't happen for other such as 1 mins, 3 mins, etc.


This seems like a big bug? My is a Waterco brand bought from Costco.


I never had luck opearting except in override mode because it was always "priming" indefinitely. Now I know it has default 18 minutes priming at 2600 RPM which is ridiculous.

Can someone confirm if they're able to set their priming duration to 0, save configuration, cut power, and retain 0 prime duration instead of resetting to 18 minutes?
 
If you can’t get the priming set to a zero duration why don’t you just set it for 3 minutes and just turn down the priming speed? If you set the priming speed slower what’s the big deal?
 
If you can’t get the priming set to a zero duration why don’t you just set it for 3 minutes and just turn down the priming speed? If you set the priming speed slower what’s the big deal?
hey MSchutzer,

thanks. I'm using this pump for two deck jet.

The min programmable prime speed seems to be at 1400RPM. Anything lower, the pump doesn't respond to the modbus command. I need max 1000RPM for my Deck Jets to stay within the pool.

@1400 rpm, the deck jet overshoots my pool and hits the patio so I'll be wasting a lot of water each time they start up...

This higher RPM won't be a problem when I finish adding a cascading water feature and add two more jets to this pump but that's still a to do for awhile...


If there is no other solution, I might have to try Gaznoodle's esp32 method to control my pump GitHub - gazoodle/CenturyVSPump: ESPHome custom component to drive Century (and other) variable speed pump motors
 
John,

You might also try playing around with configuration page 10, address 0x23 as that is listed as gen3 priming duration, and that variable description states that 0x2 = priming off, and also lists the priming duration limits as 3 to 15 minutes.

I don’t know what the gen3 UI is, or if that variable is active, but it might be worth trying to see if that will disable priming?
 
John,

You might also try playing around with configuration page 10, address 0x23 as that is listed as gen3 priming duration, and that variable description states that 0x2 = priming off, and also lists the priming duration limits as 3 to 15 minutes.

I don’t know what the gen3 UI is, or if that variable is active, but it might be worth trying to see if that will disable priming?
HI MSchutzer,

Thanks for your contribution to this topic (and others). I've tried the GenUI Priming section. Those addresses didn't respond to my commands.

It is possible by pump has some bug as it is not possible to disable the priming duration after power loss (despite saving to onboard memory).


My initial lazy plan was to control the pump using the digital input to keep it simple but the priming bug was too annoying.

I decided to stopped being lazy and hooked up a RasperryPI and control the pump directly.

My setup:

1. Home Assisant with MQTT
2. RasperryPI with usb RS485 dongle to pump with Node Red


Now I can start/stop/set RPM of the pump.

If anyone is interested, I can upload my node-red setup. All you need to have basic UI control of this pump is a usb rs485 dongle and Rasperrypi or any other machine (old laptop etc) . The Home assistant part is optional.
 

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Enabling the Jandy Aqualink RS-485 Protocol on the Vgreen 165 motor

In a couple of other posts here and above I have talked about how the Vgreen 165 motor can be enabled to talk Jandy's RS-485 protocol. This allows the motor to be controlled via the RS-485 connection by Jandy Automation systems such as the Aqualink RS or Aqualink PDA.

I want to summarize the steps to reconfigure the motor in one post with all the needed information.

First I want to thank @zafarpatel7 who first posted the Regal (Century) document that describes the motor's native protocol. For reference here is a link to the Gen3 EPC ModBus Comm Protocol PDF document. Without that document this configuration change wouldn't have been possible.

Reading that document I came across an interesting looking Configuration Parameter that is shown in this screen capture
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Configuration page 10, address 0x05 is labeled Protocol selected and it's possible values 0-4 seem to indicate that one can select any of the "big three" protocols or select an all in one choice. Seeing this led me to see what it would take to try and change this value. I'll describe the details of the programming below, but it turns out that only choices 0 - default, and 1 - Jandy are the only valid choices that the programming will accept. If you try and enter 2 through 4 the motor just ignores the commands.

Hardware Needed

To talk to the RS-485 bus you need some hardware to convert the RS-485 physical layer to something that can talk to a computer. I bought a $15 dollar USB to RS-485 adapter from Amazon. You also need a computer (laptop preferably) that can run a serial terminal program to send commands to the motor. If you are using a Windows based machine you can download this Terminal BPP program. This is the program that I used and I'll describe how to use the Macro functions to send the needed commands to the motor.

To connect the RS-485 adapter to the motor you need a two wire cable (phone cord is fine) and then you connect the A and B terminals on the motor to the A and B terminals on the adapter. Here are a couple of photos showing those connections. You only need to hook up the A and B connections on the motor. The picture shows other wires connected on my motor as I also have the digital inputs hooked up, those are not necessary for re-configuring the motor. CAUTION: Before starting make sure you press Stop on the control panel to stop the motor. Then make sure the motor is powered off at the AC breaker for at least a minute before opening the wiring compartment!
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After hooking up the two wires set the red DIP switches in the motor compartment as follows: Switch 1 through 4 - off, Switch 5 - on. Here's some more info on the switch settings from a Jandy pump manual that uses this same motor.

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After you connect up the RS-485 adapter you need to run the terminal program. When you plug the adapter's USB port into the computer Windows should automatically install the driver for it, this may take a few minutes. After the driver installs the adapter should show up as a USB serial port in the Windows "Device Manager" screen in the Control Panel. Note the COM port number assigned to the USB adapter.

The terminal program is a simple one file executable so you can place it anywhere and click on it to run it. Once it runs you will see a screen that looks like this:
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The terminal window is on the left and by clicking the "Set Macros" button on the lower left the Macro screen on the right will open up. At this point you will have blank macros. I have attached a file containing the macro's shown named "regal_macro.tmf.txt" to this post. This is just a text file despite the funny file extension. In order to attach this file I had to add the .txt extension to the file. The terminal program will look for macro files with the .tmf extension so you will want to rename this file and remove the .txt from the end when you copy this file to the directory where your terminal program is. If you copy this file to the same location as the terminal program you can click the "Load" button on the Macro listing, select the filename and then your macro screen should look like the one above.

Edit 6/24/22: In the receive box window you will see a few check boxes that select the format that the terminal program displays. By default the Ascii box is checked, you need to check the leftmost hex box as shown on the screen capture above so that the data is displayed in hex format. If the default Ascii format is checked the motor response will be gibberish and may not display at all.

To connect the Terminal program to the RS-485 adapter select the correct COM port number (in the top left) and then click the Connect button.

Now you can turn the AC power back on to the motor. The motor should be stopped, if it isn't press "Stop" on the control panel.

Before going further I should explain what all the funny characters in each Macro mean. These are all the digital commands to control the motor over the RS-485 interface. If you want to delve into the nitty gritty you can read the Modbus Protocol document. All the Macros that start with $15 ... are native Modbus commands. The Macros that start with $10$02 are commands in the Jandy Protocol format.

Here's what each Macro does:
M1 - Read the motor status
M2 - Read the value of the configuration variable on page 10, address 0x05
M3- Write the value of 1 to the configuration variable on page 10, address 0x05
M4 - Save the configuration values to Flash Memory (This makes the change persistent through power cycling)
M5 - Set the motor speed (aka Demand) to run at 2500 RPM in Jandy Protocol.
M6 - Send the "go" command to start the motor in the Jandy Protocol.

If the motor is powered up (doesn't need to be running), and you have selected the right COM port and are connected you should be able to click the M1 macro key and the motor should reply with the response 15 43 10 20 F9 E4 . The fourth value may be different depending on what state the motor is in. The key thing here is that you get some response. If you get a response you are good and you're connected, the COM port is right, and you have the RS-485 wiring between the motor and the adapter correct. If you don't get a response you aren't talking to the motor and you need to recheck the configuration of the terminal port and the wiring. By the way all the default speed settings of the terminal program are correct for talking to the motor as the RS-485 bus runs at 9600 Baud. You don't have to change any of those settings.

If you received a response from the motor you are ready for the next steps.
  1. Next click on M2 and the motor should respond with 15 64 10 0A 05 00 00 85 FF. The 7th value in the list is 00 indicating that the configuration variable is at it's default of 0.
  2. Then click M3 to reprogram that variable to 1, the motor should respond with 15 64 10 8A 05 00 01 6D FF. Note that the 7th value is now 01 as the motor acknowledged a value of 01 was written.
  3. Next click M4 to save the configuration to flash. The motor should respond with 15 65 10 4A 98.
  4. Now turn off the AC power to the motor for 30 seconds and then turn it back on. No need to press start
  5. After the motor is powered back on click on M5. This sends the motor a speed command (aka demand) in the Jandy protocol. If Dip switch 5 is on the motor should reply to the Jandy command with 10 02 00 1F 44 00 10 27 00 AC 10 03 .
  6. Then click M6 to issue the go command to the motor. It should return 10 02 00 01 41 00 54 10 03 and the motor should start running for a minute. (The motor will stop after 1 minute because the RS-485 interface times out if it doesn't receive a command at least once a minute. You can click M6 again and the motor will run for another minute.) The real Jandy system is constantly talking (polling) the motor so this timeout doesn't ever happen when connected to a real system.
Commands M5 and M6 are commands in the Jandy protocol and you have just confirmed the Jandy protocol is now working.


Switch 5 in the motor's wiring compartment now controls which protocol the motor talks. When SW5 is on it talks Jandy only. When SW5 is off it talks the Modbus protocol only. With Switches 3 and 4 off the pump responses to the pump1 address (0x78). See the switch table from earlier in the post that describes the addresses.

That's it, you are done. Now connect up the four terminals of the motor's RS-485 connector to your Aqualink RS-485 connector and then go into the Aqualink configuration web interface and select the VSP pump setup and select a Jandy EPump1 for the filter pump. Follow the Jandy instructions for configuring all your wanted speeds. After configuring you should see something like this on the Aqualink status screen.

After hooking everything up the process only takes a couple of minutes to do the programming changes. It takes a lot longer to explain it all :)

I'm sure I probably left something out, feel free to ask if you have any questions,

-Mark
You're a lifesaver, Mark. Thank you!!!
 

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Wow!! I can’t believe I found this and that @MSchutzer (smarty pants) figured this out. I’m trying this asap! I ordered my equipment and can’t wait.
I have had endless connectivity issues ever since getting the VLink adapter for my Century Regal motor. I’ve troubleshot everything and it all points to the adapter. (The last issue is it would connect to my 2.4ghz WiFi band but reported no internet connection present) The adapter was mediocre at best, and the VLink app was just wonky. Many of the features were unavailable and usually didn’t refresh with current settings. Technical support is nonexistent and the user manual is laughable.

Once I have the USB dongle, and write to the motor memory, switching it to Jandy, can I just toss the VLink100 and use the Jandy IQPump01? I read that the motor does poll at a set interval, but the IQPump would be hardwired thereby keeping it alive. Am I on the right path? I do have the older VGreen 165 not the EVO. I know this is an older post, but hopefully someone is still reading.
Thanks!!
Andrew
 
Andrew,

While I haven’t tried this with the IQPump01 as I have a Aqualink RS system, it should work provided you change the settings of DIP switches 1 and 2. So for the IQPump01 you will want DIP switches 1, 2 and 5 to on.

The Vgreen165 is the same motor used on an earlier model of the Jandy Flo-Pro165 pump, and that pump works with either the Aqualink RS system, or the IQPump01, so changing that configuration variable should enable the Jandy protocols also for the IQPump01. But you will have to try it know for sure.

The Jandy controllers, either the Aqualink RS or the IQPump01 will handle the RS-485 polling for the pump, so you should be good when you hook up the RS-485 cable.

Let me know how it goes.
 
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@MSchutzer,
I just found out the USB should be here tomorrow, and the Jandy IQPump01 later this week. Do you think there be any issue flashing the motor and getting that part completed before the install of the controller? I assume with the IQPump not being wired, the motor will default to the panel for RPM and schedule settings. I also assume getting a user manual for the Jandy Flo-Pro 165 would assist if there were any subtle differences between the two.
Thanks again
Andrew
 
Andrew,

Enabling the support for the Jandy protocol will not affect how the on board controller works. When the RS-485 isn't hooked up it will behave just as before.

Even after enabling the support for the Jandy commands the motor will still support it's native RS-485 MODBUS commands depending on the position of DIP switch 5. With DIP switch 5 off, the motor will support MODBUS commands on the RS-485 interface as it does now. Setting DIP switch 5 to on selects the Jandy commands on the RS-485 interface, you can go back and forth depending on setting of DIP switch 5.

You should be fine to enable that configuration variable before you get your controller. With DIP switches 1 and 2 off, and switch 5 on your motor should respond to the Jandy test commands that I have in that Macro file after your write the configuration variable. That way you can verify the configuration bit enabling before you get your controller.
 
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Excellent! I’ll keep you posted.

Update: @MSchutzer ,
I was able to follow your instructions and believe I did everything correctly. I received all of the correct responses from the motor and I just need the controller to be delivered tomorrow. No issues with the COM port, or the terminal program. Loaded your macros into the presets and away we went. I took a picture of my setup. This heat and the direct sun is no joke. 4F8C7B55-F891-4BB8-8A5A-D02902BEF319.jpeg
 
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@MSchutzer ,
Again! I can't thank you enough. I got the the IQPump01 delivered today and in record time had it up and running. Installed the Jandy app, ran the wire and set the dip switches 1,2 and 5 to on. I can't believe, a $15 USB, and 5 mins with your macros has changed this from a Century VGreen 165 to a Jandy FloPro. For years I have dealt with a wonky app and problematic WiFi adapter! You're the greatest!
Fingers crossed this is the solution I needed
Thank you!!
Andrew
 
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I have been using the VLink controller with my PureLine Prime 1.65 Hp VS Pump, which uses the VGreen 165 variable speed motor, since 2019. The Vlink has been problematic since the beginning with many of the functions never being implemented along with frequent issues with the adapter not being connected to the internet. I found out a few years back that the connection problem is because of the Centrury/Vlink servers going down.
Although the app and adapter were working when I started up my system this year, for the last few weeks, the server has been down and I have had to control my pump via the discrete interface. Vlink Technical Support told me, via email, on May 16 that they were having a "Global issue" and their 'Developers" were working on the issue and would get it back online in 2 or 3 days. Well, it's still out, so I will be transitioning in my put to a Jandy FloPro in the next few weeks. @shakedown where did you buy the IQPump01 interface from? Also thanks to you and @MSchutzer for posting this information.
 

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Enabling the Jandy Aqualink RS-485 Protocol on the Vgreen 165 motor

In a couple of other posts here and above I have talked about how the Vgreen 165 motor can be enabled to talk Jandy's RS-485 protocol. This allows the motor to be controlled via the RS-485 connection by Jandy Automation systems such as the Aqualink RS or Aqualink PDA.

I want to summarize the steps to reconfigure the motor in one post with all the needed information.

First I want to thank @zafarpatel7 who first posted the Regal (Century) document that describes the motor's native protocol. For reference here is a link to the Gen3 EPC ModBus Comm Protocol PDF document. Without that document this configuration change wouldn't have been possible.

Reading that document I came across an interesting looking Configuration Parameter that is shown in this screen capture
View attachment 359685
Configuration page 10, address 0x05 is labeled Protocol selected and it's possible values 0-4 seem to indicate that one can select any of the "big three" protocols or select an all in one choice. Seeing this led me to see what it would take to try and change this value. I'll describe the details of the programming below, but it turns out that only choices 0 - default, and 1 - Jandy are the only valid choices that the programming will accept. If you try and enter 2 through 4 the motor just ignores the commands.

Hardware Needed

To talk to the RS-485 bus you need some hardware to convert the RS-485 physical layer to something that can talk to a computer. I bought a $15 dollar USB to RS-485 adapter from Amazon. You also need a computer (laptop preferably) that can run a serial terminal program to send commands to the motor. If you are using a Windows based machine you can download this Terminal BPP program. This is the program that I used and I'll describe how to use the Macro functions to send the needed commands to the motor.

To connect the RS-485 adapter to the motor you need a two wire cable (phone cord is fine) and then you connect the A and B terminals on the motor to the A and B terminals on the adapter. Here are a couple of photos showing those connections. You only need to hook up the A and B connections on the motor. The picture shows other wires connected on my motor as I also have the digital inputs hooked up, those are not necessary for re-configuring the motor. CAUTION: Before starting make sure you press Stop on the control panel to stop the motor. Then make sure the motor is powered off at the AC breaker for at least a minute before opening the wiring compartment!
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After hooking up the two wires set the red DIP switches in the motor compartment as follows: Switch 1 through 4 - off, Switch 5 - on. Here's some more info on the switch settings from a Jandy pump manual that uses this same motor.

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After you connect up the RS-485 adapter you need to run the terminal program. When you plug the adapter's USB port into the computer Windows should automatically install the driver for it, this may take a few minutes. After the driver installs the adapter should show up as a USB serial port in the Windows "Device Manager" screen in the Control Panel. Note the COM port number assigned to the USB adapter.

The terminal program is a simple one file executable so you can place it anywhere and click on it to run it. Once it runs you will see a screen that looks like this:
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The terminal window is on the left and by clicking the "Set Macros" button on the lower left the Macro screen on the right will open up. At this point you will have blank macros. I have attached a file containing the macro's shown named "regal_macro.tmf.txt" to this post. This is just a text file despite the funny file extension. In order to attach this file I had to add the .txt extension to the file. The terminal program will look for macro files with the .tmf extension so you will want to rename this file and remove the .txt from the end when you copy this file to the directory where your terminal program is. If you copy this file to the same location as the terminal program you can click the "Load" button on the Macro listing, select the filename and then your macro screen should look like the one above.

Edit 6/24/22: In the receive box window you will see a few check boxes that select the format that the terminal program displays. By default the Ascii box is checked, you need to check the leftmost hex box as shown on the screen capture above so that the data is displayed in hex format. If the default Ascii format is checked the motor response will be gibberish and may not display at all.

To connect the Terminal program to the RS-485 adapter select the correct COM port number (in the top left) and then click the Connect button.

Now you can turn the AC power back on to the motor. The motor should be stopped, if it isn't press "Stop" on the control panel.

Before going further I should explain what all the funny characters in each Macro mean. These are all the digital commands to control the motor over the RS-485 interface. If you want to delve into the nitty gritty you can read the Modbus Protocol document. All the Macros that start with $15 ... are native Modbus commands. The Macros that start with $10$02 are commands in the Jandy Protocol format.

Here's what each Macro does:
M1 - Read the motor status
M2 - Read the value of the configuration variable on page 10, address 0x05
M3- Write the value of 1 to the configuration variable on page 10, address 0x05
M4 - Save the configuration values to Flash Memory (This makes the change persistent through power cycling)
M5 - Set the motor speed (aka Demand) to run at 2500 RPM in Jandy Protocol.
M6 - Send the "go" command to start the motor in the Jandy Protocol.

If the motor is powered up (doesn't need to be running), and you have selected the right COM port and are connected you should be able to click the M1 macro key and the motor should reply with the response 15 43 10 20 F9 E4 . The fourth value may be different depending on what state the motor is in. The key thing here is that you get some response. If you get a response you are good and you're connected, the COM port is right, and you have the RS-485 wiring between the motor and the adapter correct. If you don't get a response you aren't talking to the motor and you need to recheck the configuration of the terminal port and the wiring. By the way all the default speed settings of the terminal program are correct for talking to the motor as the RS-485 bus runs at 9600 Baud. You don't have to change any of those settings.

If you received a response from the motor you are ready for the next steps.
  1. Next click on M2 and the motor should respond with 15 64 10 0A 05 00 00 85 FF. The 7th value in the list is 00 indicating that the configuration variable is at it's default of 0.
  2. Then click M3 to reprogram that variable to 1, the motor should respond with 15 64 10 8A 05 00 01 6D FF. Note that the 7th value is now 01 as the motor acknowledged a value of 01 was written.
  3. Next click M4 to save the configuration to flash. The motor should respond with 15 65 10 4A 98.
  4. Now turn off the AC power to the motor for 30 seconds and then turn it back on. No need to press start
  5. After the motor is powered back on click on M5. This sends the motor a speed command (aka demand) in the Jandy protocol. If Dip switch 5 is on the motor should reply to the Jandy command with 10 02 00 1F 44 00 10 27 00 AC 10 03 .
  6. Then click M6 to issue the go command to the motor. It should return 10 02 00 01 41 00 54 10 03 and the motor should start running for a minute. (The motor will stop after 1 minute because the RS-485 interface times out if it doesn't receive a command at least once a minute. You can click M6 again and the motor will run for another minute.) The real Jandy system is constantly talking (polling) the motor so this timeout doesn't ever happen when connected to a real system.
Commands M5 and M6 are commands in the Jandy protocol and you have just confirmed the Jandy protocol is now working.


Switch 5 in the motor's wiring compartment now controls which protocol the motor talks. When SW5 is on it talks Jandy only. When SW5 is off it talks the Modbus protocol only. With Switches 3 and 4 off the pump responses to the pump1 address (0x78). See the switch table from earlier in the post that describes the addresses.

That's it, you are done. Now connect up the four terminals of the motor's RS-485 connector to your Aqualink RS-485 connector and then go into the Aqualink configuration web interface and select the VSP pump setup and select a Jandy EPump1 for the filter pump. Follow the Jandy instructions for configuring all your wanted speeds. After configuring you should see something like this on the Aqualink status screen.

After hooking everything up the process only takes a couple of minutes to do the programming changes. It takes a lot longer to explain it all :)

I'm sure I probably left something out, feel free to ask if you have any questions,

-Mark
Well, that was easy. My Pureline pump now speaks Jandy. I think I going to hold off buying the IQPump01 interface for now and try going down the node-red /Home Assistance route. @johnkim2020, if you are still around, please upload your node-red setup.
 
Well, the Node-Red route was a bridge too far for me so I bought a IQPump01. Hooked it up this morning, setting it up buy following the Quick Start Guide and it now up and running. Note that DIP switches 1, 2 and 5 need to be in the on position, with 3 and 4 being off.
The app is telling me that there is a firmware update, which I assume is for the motor. The VLink app never notified me that there was a firmware update over the five years that I was using it. So I'm a little hesitant to tap on the update now button.
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So grateful for all the work done here by all of you. The instructions and insight for programming of the Century V-Green 165 interface to accept the Jandy iQPump01 solves my own growing frustration with the seemingly defunct Century VLink. I was told today by Century "support" that,
"Since the app's code is quite outdated and since it was outsourced, we are finding it challenging to get a timely response from the development team. We are on top of it and working on it on priority. Please allow us sometime. Thanks for your patience."

I think the toll free number now rings somewhere in the Philippines, so I'm not looking forward to any meaningful response or remedy anytime soon. Thanks to all of you, I can simply move on.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!!

Jim
 

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