balanced but still cloudy...

Kkflemin

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Hi, this is my first time posting though I have used answers on this site so many times, so thanks for that! This is the third year we've had our pool (20K gallons, vinyl liner salt pool, sand filter, variable speed pump) and for the first time in those three years the pool is cloudy. I have a pool service open and close the pool but I balance it throughout the summer. This year when they opened it it was pretty clear but with some debris on the bottom. We had a truck add water to bring it up to the skimmer. They did the initial balance and vacuumed to waste. As soon as they finished it was milky white and 7 days later I can still barely see the main drain cover. It is balanced properly, pH is 7.2, Ca 120, alk is 100, cya is 40. They added a lot of salt, 3900 by the meter on the salt cell, 3650 by my strip test (I don't have a salt test in my test kit). The free Cl is about 12 (they put 4 Cl tablets in the skimmer and due to the cold weather here (40's) I let that circulate and only turned on the salt cell yesterday since levels were so high).

The pool company told me that the problem was that the sand in my filter probably needs to be replaced. I have backwashed even though pressure from the filter hadn't increased above about 12 psi, and didn't noticeably decrease after backwashing. I thought we needed to add more water due to the high salt but the pool company says it's not high enough level to be a problem. It has not gotten warm here (above about 62) until recently, so I don't think it's algae given the good pH and high CL levels. I don't know whether to have the sand replaced or try something else like a flocculant (the pool company also said that a sand filter may never be able to remove the cloudiness, I might just need to get a cartridge filter). Any advice greatly appreciated!
 
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Thanks! I am using a Taylor K2006-c test kit. My FCL levels have been > 12 ppm since the pool was opened a week and a half ago, so that's why I didn't think the cloudiness was algae. Do you think it's likely that it is? I have read the ABCs of pool water chemistry. I balanced my pool faithfully for the past 2 years. Today it is FCL 12.2, pH 7.6, Ca 370, Alk 90, Salt 3600. I think I must have mistyped my Ca last time and it should have been 320.
 
Welcome, How are you testing ? What is your CC numbers
Thanks! I am using a Taylor K2006-c test kit. My FCL levels have been > 12 ppm since the pool was opened a week and a half ago, so that's why I didn't think the cloudiness was algae. Do you think it's likely that it is? I have read the ABCs of pool water chemistry. I balanced my pool faithfully for the past 2 years. Today it is FCL 12.2, pH 7.6, Ca 370, Alk 90, Salt 3600. I think I must have mistyped my Ca last time and it should have been 320.
Kk,
Can you get us a CC level. That's the test after you have done the FC you would continue as per the instruction card to perform the CC test.
 
Please do not buy another filter. They are pool storing you. You can also try adding a 3/4 to a cup of DE into the skimmer which will sit in your filter to help clear the pool. Itll come out when you backwash next time.
 
Thank you! Sorry, my CC is 0.5 now, and also was the day after they opened and balanced the pool. I am running out of reagent for the CL test so was trying to conserve it until my new stuff comes. Updated numbers this morning (we had a lot of rain last night): FC 11.5, CC 0.5, pH 7.6, CYA 50, TA 90, Ca 330. It sounds like I will need to bring up the CYA levels before I do the SLAM.
I will try the DE, thank you!
 
Don't bring up CYA until after the slam. The higher the CYA the more chlorine you will need. Have you been running the pool 24/7 since it opened? If so try turning it off overnight and letting any fine debris settle on the floor of the pool, then manually vacuum slowly so you don't stir up too much of the debris.
Also if your water temp is in the 40's it is too cold for the SWG to generate chlorine.
 

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Water temp is in the 60's. I didn't turn on the SWG until it was above 65 deg, and then had it turned down very low because my Cl levels were so high. I have been running the pump 24/7 so maybe it does just need to settle. Since we had a lot of rain, I will do the SLAM. I noticed that for salt pools the SLAM FCl rates were set for CYA 60 and above, which is why I thought I should bring it up first. But I can try the SLAM first. The first photo shows deep end where you can almost make out the main drain, so to me that's pretty cloudy.

Thanks everyone, much appreciated!

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It may be worth your time to do an overnight chlorine loss test....if that passes you might not need to SLAM. As far as changing the sand, it never wears out; sometimes it gets really dirty and a deep clean will help. A sand filter is the slowest to filter visible particles so it takes patience and longer pump run times to clear a hazy pool. Your shallow end looks good...you may need to just let your filter do its' job.
overnight chlorine loss test
sand filter deep clean
 
.you may need to just let your filter do its' job.
Good advice. I don't like turning off the pump to see what settles out.....it just stirs back up when you restart.

I really believe you should be running your pump 24/7, backwashing with a 25% rise in psi AND brushing as is practicable.

You are close. Keep the filtration going and keep your chlorine up and your pool will soon be crystal clear.

(the pool company also said that a sand filter may never be able to remove the cloudiness
stay out of that pool store......you are not being helped.
 
Great Job!
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