Hello, I have an Aiper Scuba S1 Pro and was wondering if the "Ultra Fina Filter" is available or it as well?
Thanks,
Dan
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Thanks,
Dan
Hi Michael Z. Thanks for offering up your expertise. I have a 25,000 gallon lap pool. At the base of the main lane is a ~20' x 8' parallelogram area and on the other side at the base are four steps going up to an ~8'x8' sun deck. It is an uncovered pool, and we live in southern Georgia so we get a ton of pine needles, live oak "flyers," sand, and pollen. Pool is 6' at the depeest and goes up to 3' at the end of the lane. It is a SWG pool.
We had a Polaris Quattro that I was able to patch together to get through five seasons, but its reliability (annual maintenance $$) and how tangled up it got on its pressure hose have turned me away from a pressure-side vacuum. I've been looking at the Polaris Alpha iQ+ and was considering the Beatbot Aquasense 2 Ultra. **Edit: Just added Aiper Scuba S1 Pro Max to the list. Looks like very nice feature set and Aiper seems to get really good reviews on here. Really like the features and cordless of the Beatbot (and Scuba S1 Pro), but hate having to send it away for any work, and of course the price is really a deterrent. Between those two, do you have a recommendation, and do you feel either of them are really worth their price? Thanks in advance.
We had a Polaris Quattro that I was able to patch together to get through five seasons, but its reliability (annual maintenance $$) and how tangled up it got on its pressure hose have turned me away from a pressure-side vacuum. I've been looking at the Polaris Alpha iQ+ and was considering the Beatbot Aquasense 2 Ultra. **Edit: Just added Aiper Scuba S1 Pro Max to the list. Looks like very nice feature set and Aiper seems to get really good reviews on here. Really like the features and cordless of the Beatbot (and Scuba S1 Pro), but hate having to send it away for any work, and of course the price is really a deterrent. Between those two, do you have a recommendation, and do you feel either of them are really worth their price? Thanks in advance.
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EmilyOTR
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- Pentair Intellichlor IC-40
Outdoor pool. stairs yes. I get both fine dirt and big leaves and acorns (in the fall). Pool is about 15,000 gallons.
Thanks. Based on @HermanTX's response, I kept my order for the Betta SE Plus and I'm glad I did. I wish I'd known about it sooner as it does an awesome job skimming the pool.
As for the robots, I bought both an Aiper X1 and a Beatbot Aquasense 2 to try them out. They both have their pros/cons and I'm undecided on which one to keep, but leaning towards Aiper X1. Honestly, I wish there was a combination of the two and I've somewhat considered keeping both to see how each brand holds up (plus double the cleaning power!). The cost of the two is actually less than the next level up, so maybe?
Thanks again for the input.
Aiper X1
Pros:
- More power
- Ultrafine filter is good at capturing dirt
- Only limited wheelies and tends to self-recover
- Larger filter basket
- Looks cool
- Support respond quickly
- Charges relatively fast
- Doesn't get hung up on drain
Cons:
- Shorter battery life (150mins of cleaning)
- Misses some spots
- Overly aggressive at waterline (can sit for 45s-1m in a single spot and goes all the way up to the coping)
- Has to be fished out manually with hook, no communication under water without $500 accessory
- Support didn't offer much about wheelies/missed spots other than clean filter/put it in a different spot each time to start
Beatbot Aquasense 2
Pros:
- Long battery life (~270mins of cleaning)
- Climbs stairs like a champ
- Surfaces and waits at the water line at end of session
- Smarter water line cleaning (up and down twice)
- Stronger wifi gives some communication while cleaning depending on where it is in the pool
- Support responded quickly
- Doesn't get hung up on drain
Cons:
- Wheelies across the entire pool wall-to-wall after going full speed off the baja shelf (front never touches the floor)
- Constantly seems like it wants to tip over backwards, but has yet to do so
- Small filter basket
- Park option didn't work even though the app showed connectivity
- No ultra fine filter
- Lower GPH means it will leave behind some debris if it doesn't go directly over it
- Support hasn't offered any explanation so far about the wheelie behavior
Thanks. Based on @HermanTX's response, I kept my order for the Betta SE Plus and I'm glad I did. I wish I'd known about it sooner as it does an awesome job skimming the pool.
As for the robots, I bought both an Aiper X1 and a Beatbot Aquasense 2 to try them out. They both have their pros/cons and I'm undecided on which one to keep, but leaning towards Aiper X1. Honestly, I wish there was a combination of the two and I've somewhat considered keeping both to see how each brand holds up (plus double the cleaning power!). The cost of the two is actually less than the next level up, so maybe?
Thanks again for the input.
Aiper X1
Pros:
- More power
- Ultrafine filter is good at capturing dirt
- Only limited wheelies and tends to self-recover
- Larger filter basket
- Looks cool
- Support respond quickly
- Charges relatively fast
- Doesn't get hung up on drain
Cons:
- Shorter battery life (150mins of cleaning)
- Misses some spots
- Overly aggressive at waterline (can sit for 45s-1m in a single spot and goes all the way up to the coping)
- Has to be fished out manually with hook, no communication under water without $500 accessory
- Support didn't offer much about wheelies/missed spots other than clean filter/put it in a different spot each time to start
Beatbot Aquasense 2
Pros:
- Long battery life (~270mins of cleaning)
- Climbs stairs like a champ
- Surfaces and waits at the water line at end of session
- Smarter water line cleaning (up and down twice)
- Stronger wifi gives some communication while cleaning depending on where it is in the pool
- Support responded quickly
- Doesn't get hung up on drain
Cons:
- Wheelies across the entire pool wall-to-wall after going full speed off the baja shelf (front never touches the floor)
- Constantly seems like it wants to tip over backwards, but has yet to do so
- Small filter basket
- Park option didn't work even though the app showed connectivity
- No ultra fine filter
- Lower GPH means it will leave behind some debris if it doesn't go directly over it
- Support hasn't offered any explanation so far about the wheelie behavior
According to the latest real-time evaluation, aiper x1 has also experienced wheelie issues. You can continue to try it out and provide feedback on the comparison between the two to everyone. Thank you very much for sharing
Firstly, although cordless swimming pool robots do not suffer from cable entanglement, knotting, and damage, they may still experience short circuits broken due to their internal battery structure.
In the early days,(2023) the typical lifespan of AIPER was only 8 months, but now after a long period of production experience, they have been improved.
But they have not fully confirmed that it can be used for 5 years or more.
If you value durability and maintainability more, Dolphin may be your choice. He has a good reputation for quality on the forum and is often mentioned for using it for 5-8 years
If you want to try cordless robots, you can try beatbot.
It comes with a 3-year warranty, and even the basic model is a good choice.
As for Pro and Ultra.
They are also good, but they may be too heavy. Pro has added a skimmer function on the basic version, and I suggest you use Betta se skimmer instead.
The AI features promoted by Ultra have not yet been widely proven to be effective.
As an adult man, I can't even accept carrying them for a distance every day to recharge.
anyway I would recommend the combination of aquasense2+betta se among the options you provided.
Beatbot has a unique high-end design that sets it apart from other brands.
But I don't think the expensive prices of Pro and Ultra are worth it.
Alternatively, if you value parameters and functionality more, you can choose the combination of aiper s1 pro+surfer s2.
The overall performance of AIPER S1 Pro is very good.
And it also provides an additional fine filter option compared to aquasense.
And its 2025 model is now discounted.
Make it more cost-effective.
The disadvantage is that it is indeed very heavy, about 40 pounds.
As for Polaris Alpha IQ+, I have not used it before.
So I am unable to evaluate.
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I also have the Aiper S1 Pro, but it's a 2024 model and I remember it comes with an ultra fine filter.
It is like a car air conditioning filter, placed between a basket and motor
However, due to its structural design, the fine filter did not completely wrap around the basket, and perhaps a small amount of soil still slipped through the gaps.
But in the 2025 model, both s1 and s1 pro will be upgraded to a fully wrapped basket filter.
According to AIPER's official statement, the 2024 S1 can directly purchase the 2025 version of the universal fine filter, but it seems that it is not currently available for sale
I don't know which specific model you want to know, I haven't used the 2025 model before
Both Wybot and Aiper are currently one of the most mature cordless robot brands, and their main difference is that Wybot has a lower theoretical GPH. It uses a 65W motor, which brings about a water absorption speed of about 45GPH. You can understand it as being able to barely climb walls with the lowest parameters.
Its battery is 99Wh, which is also the smallest among wall climbing swimming pool robots.
And Aiper's motor and battery are slightly larger than Wybot's.
He has a suction capacity of 70gph and a battery capacity of 112wh.
Of course, the price of aiper will also be much higher, and a large part of it is spent on exquisite advertising.
In terms of parameter comparison, there doesn't seem to be much difference between them, but apart from the parameters, the biggest difference is that AIPER's appearance and workmanship are much better than Wybot's.
Wybot seems to have a very cheap shell material and creaks.This is something you cannot see in the picture
In addition, AIPER has better warranty, even if its warranty only provides refurbished products when needed. But it's always better than Wybot.
In short, if it were me, I would recommend Aiper more among these two brands.
At least it gives people a better sense of quality trust.
Of course, if you don't care about its appearance, warranty.
In terms of functionality alone, they are similar.
And wybot is cheaper
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for above ground pool，
You don't need the models that others talk about, such as AIPER S1 Pro, BEATBOT, etc.
The models that cost over $500 or even $1000 and can climb walls, they are very heavy.
I am a 30 year old man, but I cannot accept carrying a 30-40 pound item to charge every day.
Especially when they have just been taken out of the water and the water has not yet drained, you need to carry a total of 60 pounds and stand by the pool within 5 seconds.
Believe me, this is not good for your and your wife's health.
Robots that can only clean the bottom of the pool for around $100 are your best choice.
You can occasionally manually scrub the waterline and pool walls.
And often use small robots to maintain the pool floor.
Models such as AIPER Seagull SE, scuba se, Poolpure Aquaguard se, Gosvor, you can buy them on Amazon. Their structure and function are the same.
Poolpure is currently the most cost-effective swimming pool robot for AG Pool.
Its price is the lowest. And the battery is the largest, with 5000mAh, capable of running for a full 2 hours.
And the much more expensive Scuba SE and Seagull SE are only 2600 and 4000mAh respectively. Aiper's high-end models are good, but they do spend more money on advertising.
It is light and has enough suction. After my actual testing. In the same amount of time, it often sucks up more sand, leaves, and soil than those expensive models. After my analysis, this may be due to their structure: their basket is on the bottom shell. Debris settled on the bottom shell after being sucked in and then stood still there. Instead of being rolled by expensive models of large suction motors.
Many people here has in-ground pool and hope I can recommend some models that can climb walls. But in fact, Whether used for the in-ground pool or above ground pool, my favorite are those small robots that can be regularly maintained and can be retrieved without any weight burden.
The only thing to note is that all cheap small robots are limited by cost and their waterproof performance may not be enough to support its use of several seasons.
Also,your swimming pool floor should ideally have no wrinkles or slopes, design without tracks may cause it to get stuck in wrinkles on the floor, slopes.If your pool floor does have a lot of wrinkles, you can still try aiper scuba s1
Hi. My Polaris P965iQ is finally dead. I've kept it going by buying a new motor block and cable 4 years ago after getting E10 errors. But now I think it's best to just buy a new one rather than more replacement parts. I'm inclined to not buy a Polaris again. I want a robot that will last a long time and work well. Of course, I also want a good value, but not opposed to paying for quality. I'd also like to be able to repair/replace any parts that break. After what I've read, I'm thinking of a corded rather than cordless/battery version. I don't really care about wifi and the phone app, or fancy features like auto retrieval (I'm used to using my long pole with a hook to snag it and lift out of the water). My pool is ~17'x37' and has oak trees around it, so gets lots of leaves and catkins in the springtime. Any recommendations are greatly appreciated!
Yes, it does, albeit nowhere near as bad as the Aquasense 2. Beatbot did take it seriously and support said they plan on releasing new firmware in the next few weeks to resolve it. If that ends up being true, I'd be impressed. Hopefully they release that before the end of my return window as that may be enough to make me keep it.
Aiper just told me to keep the filter clean and run it a few more times, also that lifting is expected if the pool floor isn't flat. Didn't offer much support beyond that.
Hello, I don't have too many wired robots, so my suggestion can only rely on a lot of feedback I've seen on forums.
I can only share some of my opinions with you, but they cannot constitute clear guidance.
If you value quality more, according to everyone's discussion, dolphins generally have better durability compared to Polaris.
Polaris invented the pressure side cleaner, and its parent company Fluidra is an industry giant that operates offline channels for swimming pool products.
So you can easily see him in various pool shops, and usually at a high price.
And Dolphin invented the current cable swimming pool robot.
They are more professional in this area, and they also sell well online, so they have more affordable online models to choose from, such as nautilus cc series.
On forums, it is common to see many classic dolphin models that have been in use for over 8 years.
and Some other people have also provided feedback that they have only been using the robot for 2 years because they often keep the robot submerged in water using the weekly timer function.It depends on the usage habits
And for some accessories, such as cables, tracks, etc., they are also easy to buy.
Its disadvantage is that the cables are easily damaged and expensive.
It costs about $150 to purchase OEM cables.
Additionally, many people have reported that it may be stuck at the main drainage outlet.Someone solved the problem by purchasing a steel ring for fitness to surround the drainage outlet
In short, as long as you try to purchase Dolphin models with anti rotation cables and avoid them being soaked in water or exposed to the sun for a long time, Dolphin is the most mature choice.
After all, in the past 40 years, he has proven himself with top sales.
Models: Nautilus cc, cayman，quantum，premier，sigma
Dolphin dealers say that Sigma and Premier are built on commercial platforms and have quality that can be used for 10 years
If you don't care about its price, you can give it a try, or Choose other model according to your own purchasing budget and needs.
considering your situation, besides dolphin, you can purchase a betta skimmer to prevent leaves from falling into the water.
Reducing maintenance frequency indirectly extends the lifespan of robots
the Whelie issue is due to the structural design of the product.
Robots often have lighter "heads" and a center of gravity at the back in order to climb up walls.
And there is a cavity in the front that will store air.
When the filter is clogged, it may cause excessive water mixed with bubbles to be unable to be discharged through normal channels to get out from pump, thus entering the front cavity.
that caused robot wheelie.
Perhaps they have a way to solve this problem through OTA
It is also possible that it cannot be completely resolved.
Try removing the ultra fine filter in most cases to solve this problem.
This issue has not been fully resolved in the entire industry.
But it is very evident on, for example, x1 and aquasense.
Looking forward to your feedback after long term use
Robots often have lighter "heads" and a center of gravity at the back in order to climb up walls.
And there is a cavity in the front that will store air.
When the filter is clogged, it may cause excessive water mixed with bubbles to be unable to be discharged through normal channels to get out from pump, thus entering the front cavity.
that caused robot wheelie.
Perhaps they have a way to solve this problem through OTA
It is also possible that it cannot be completely resolved.
Try removing the ultra fine filter in most cases to solve this problem.
This issue has not been fully resolved in the entire industry.
But it is very evident on, for example, x1 and aquasense.
Looking forward to your feedback after long term use
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I noticed that you may already have Dolphin s200, so you don't need to update
You can purchase an additional Betta Skimmer and use it continuously outside of the Dolphin to better skim the leaves
There are many types of pool cleaners, including suction-side, pressure-side, robotic, and cordless models. Each has its own advantages. For example, Dolphin models are known for strong suction and durability, while cordless options (like the Aiper Scuba S1) are more convenient and affordable, though not as durable.
The right choice depends on your pool and budget:
- For above-ground pools with flat bottoms, small $100 robots like the basic Poolpure model work well.
- Medium-sized pools need wall-climbing robots. The Aiper Scuba S1 + Betta Skimmer combo is currently the most popular and reliable option.
- If you prioritize practicality over extra features, Dolphin's Nautilus CC series is excellent.
- For premium options, consider the Beatbot Aquasense Pro or Dolphin Premium series if budget isn't a concern.
I’ve also used the WYBOT S2, and my overall rating of the brand is low. While WYBOT pioneered cordless robots (by integrating lithium batteries first) and introduces innovative features like AI cameras and solar charging, their hardware consistently uses the industry’s lowest-grade components—from motors to plastic casings. Poor battery sealing and overall workmanship lead to frequent failures, especially in newer models. The C1 remains their only cost-effective option.
Among cordless robots, Beatbot currently leads in build quality. Its internal engineering is exceptionally precise. Aiper, after years of refinement, is another reliable choice. Both brands offer better warranties than WYBOT.you can try aquansense2 or Scuba s1
That said, if longevity (8+ years) is your goal, I’d recommend switching to a wired Dolphin robot. Cordless models are still evolving— Beatbot’s 1-year track record prevents me from guaranteeing 3-year durability, though its design suggests strong potential. and overall evaluation are very good
As for the drainage outlet, all robots have a chance of getting stuck on it. You can search on the forum and solve it in various interesting ways,
BMerrill
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Hi Michael,
Are there any pool cleaners capable of cleaning elevated platforms like a tanning ledge?
My 4 year old Dolphin M600 has bit the dust this year. Looking for a replacement. First consideration is a wireless unit, light weight, and will clean an elevated platform, WiFi app, in water communications. Have tried the Aiper Scuba X1 Max Pro and the Beatbot AquaSensr 2 Ultra. Both don’t even come close to the advertised hype and neither would clean the elevated platform, but are advertised they will. Returning both. Do have a 2 year old Betta surface skimmer.
Pool details in my signature.
Your suggestion?
Most likely I’ll have to stay with a corded unit.
Are there any pool cleaners capable of cleaning elevated platforms like a tanning ledge?
My 4 year old Dolphin M600 has bit the dust this year. Looking for a replacement. First consideration is a wireless unit, light weight, and will clean an elevated platform, WiFi app, in water communications. Have tried the Aiper Scuba X1 Max Pro and the Beatbot AquaSensr 2 Ultra. Both don’t even come close to the advertised hype and neither would clean the elevated platform, but are advertised they will. Returning both. Do have a 2 year old Betta surface skimmer.
Pool details in my signature.
Your suggestion?
Most likely I’ll have to stay with a corded unit.
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Thank you Michael! That's very helpful. You say you don't have too many wired robots. Should I consider a wireless one? I was assuming the wired robots would last longer because they don't have batteries and it seems like rechargeable batteries eventually decline (like on my power tools). But I guess I could replace the battery if necessary...?
In terms of the skimmer, do you think it would clean leaves off my negative edge? This is where a lot of my leaves collect, right at the drop off of the ledge. It would need to climb onto the negative edge ledge (~1 ft wide and water going from 0 to ~1 inch deep).
There is no tanning ledge in my pool, Maybe You can search “Definitely David” on YouTube and ask him. or watch his video, He has almost used all models on the market