Tiny Covered SWG Pool - How Much CYA?

JustinZ

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Jul 20, 2023
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Massachusetts
Pool Size
3900
Surface
Vinyl
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Hayward Turbo Cell (T-CELL-5)
This is going to be our second year with our pool, and I've decided to switch over from the chemical levels recommended in the manuals to the TFP guidelines.

I've been reading all the various threads on TFP recommended levels, and have a grasp on most of it. The only point I'm not sure on is how much CYA I should put in. It feels like I have to choose between opposing advice and I don't know which is more relevant in my situation.

First up, my pool is unusual (see specs in my profile). The weird part is that it is only 8ft by 16ft, with insulated walls and a spa cover fitted on it. I'm talking about one of the 6-inch-thick foam covers that requires lifters. The design goal was that once we get the pool up to temperature with the heater, it takes a very long time to come back down as long as the cover is kept closed. It does this very well. Between the smallness of the pool and the insulation and the cover, it cost us very little money to heat our pool last year even into October in New England.

Over in the Pool Water Chemistry post, chem geek says "Salt Water chlorine Generation (SWG) pools seem to require a higher level of CYA, about 70-80 ppm, to operate efficiently. The theory is that the CYA is slow to "store" the chlorine as it is being generated so without enough CYA there is a build-up of chlorine that degrades the performance of the salt cell."

But when the cover is down, which it is all the time we're not using it, there is absolutely no light getting in, which I would think would let me use a CYA below 70-80.

Anecdotally, we were barely pushing the SWG last year. While keeping my CYA at a 20-30ppm level, I was able to keep my FC stable where I wanted with the SWG set at maybe 6-9% with a 8-hour pump on-time. If I'm doing my math right, that's only 30-45 minutes of actual SWG generating per day...

My question boils down to this: does the 70-80ppm guideline for SWG pools still apply to my pool, or does the fact that we have such a small chlorine demand and the SWG was barely working last year win out and I should go for a lower target CYA?

We just started up the pumps this week and the CYA was still around 20ppm from last year. I'm probably going to SLAM it this weekend based on that (i.e. SLAM FC to 10), but after that I need to decide where I want to adjust my CYA.

What do any of you think?

I'm probably overthinking this and will do fine as long as I keep my FC/CYA ratio good and CYA somewhere between 40-80, but I'm being perfectionist. :)
 
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Keep your CYA at the level that has worked in the past .Your pool is essentially an 'indoor' pool. So low CYA is all that is needed.

Do be aware if you leave the cover off for extended periods with the sun shining on the water, the FC will burn off quickly.
I suggest you read through Pool Care Basics - Trouble Free Pool and even look at a few of our videos TFP-TV - Trouble Free Pool
 
Do be aware if you leave the cover off for extended periods with the sun shining on the water, the FC will burn off quickly.
Thank you for the quick reply!

Yeah, my SWG 6-9% level was only the average. If we had a sunny weekend where the pool was open the whole time or if we had a party, I needed to crank it up to 15% for a couple days to compensate. And if there was a solid week of no usage at all, I would have to turn the SWG lower or even off for a little while to avoid going too high.

... And then there was the week that we had a party, and I turned it up, but forgot to turn it down, and then the weather was cold for a week and when I finally went back and noticed the next weekend it was approaching SLAM levels. 😨

Yeah, my pool is small enough compared to the SWG that I could plausibly SLAM it with the SWG. But I still intend to use liquid bleach for speed and to avoid stressing the SWG.
 
Thank you for the quick reply!

Yeah, my SWG 6-9% level was only the average. If we had a sunny weekend where the pool was open the whole time or if we had a party, I needed to crank it up to 15% for a couple days to compensate. And if there was a solid week of no usage at all, I would have to turn the SWG lower or even off for a little while to avoid going too high.

... And then there was the week that we had a party, and I turned it up, but forgot to turn it down, and then the weather was cold for a week and when I finally went back and noticed the next weekend it was approaching SLAM levels. 😨

Yeah, my pool is small enough compared to the SWG that I could plausibly SLAM it with the SWG. But I still intend to use liquid bleach for speed and to avoid stressing the SWG.
Why are you needing to SLAM?
 
Why are you needing to SLAM?
Do you mean now or in my story about last year?

Right now it's just the beginning of the year pool opening. It's cloudy and needs to be cleaned up from winter.

In my story about how I almost did it last year, I didn't need to. My point was that with the cover on for a week and the SWG set too high and no one swimming in it, the FC level accidentally went up to almost 10, which is normally a SLAM level.
 
If your CYA has been working, stick with it. I’m a little north of you in NH and I find my pool is happiest with a CYA of 50-60. I tried a CYA of 70 and it was a pain. We just don’t get the blazingly hot sun day after day that requires the 70-80 CYA with a SWG.
 
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I have a covered pool - and when it is open for use (only a few times a week in summer) I have found that if I let the CYA drop to 20 or 30 it starts to loose too much FC and it is more touchy -- my happy sweet spot for CYA has been 40. I try to set it at 40 for the start of the swim season - and I only check it a few times and adjust it a bit late summer and sometimes in the fall.