Pool vacuum head sucked my liner in?

[mikej141]

Hello

Second season with new pool...the bristles that are in the vacuum head seem to have gotten. Pushed in on one side of the vacuum.
After my daughter was done vacuuming I noticed severe wrinkles where the head must have gotten stuck to the liner and created some wrinkles...I was able to push one of them and smooth it out...

What type of vacuum head should I buy next, and is it possible to smooth out my liner???

 

[ajw22]

Welcome to TFP.

I think you should reduce the suction on your vacuum line.

I can't help you with a vacuum head since I have always used a pool cleaner.

 

[Newdude]

Hey Mike and Welcome !!!

I found the triangle brush vac works great with my variable speed pump, and for my single speed pump, the rectangle with wheels worked better.

Pics of the broken vac head, the pool wrinkles, and the equipment would really help. You're not giving us much to go on here. Lol.

 

[mikej141]

Hey Mike and Welcome !!!

I found the triangle brush vac works great with my variable speed pump, and for my single speed pump, the rectangle with wheels worked better.

Pics of the broken vac head, the pool wrinkles, and the equipment would really help. You're not giving us much to go on here. Lol.

Yes, thank you for the input. I'll get some pi k out today of both.
My pool guy seems to think ground water may have floated the liner after we got

 

[mikej141]

So as you can see it looks as if maybe the vacuum suckdd up part of the liner to me, like if you were to pull up on a bed sheet.
Pool guy thinks maybe water table was so high that's what may have caused it. When j looked at my vacuum head which has since bee. Thrown out, there are three rows of bristles, one row had gotten completely pushed into the vacuum head and it was difficult to maneuver so I assumed maybe it had stuck to the floor.
I only noticed it after my daughter was done vacuuming, she said it was there while she was vacuuming.
At any rate, this is what I'm dealing with. PH is kept spot on and chlorine always between .5 and 1 as I use a Frog system.
I have a company coming out to take a look but wanted to get some opinions here before I paid anyone to do anything.
I was able to work out one of the wrinkles but the rest are tight and it's hard to work them when you are floating .
This is in the 3 foot shallow end.
Any thoughts on remedy would be appreciated

Mike

 

[Newdude]

It could be coincidental with the vacuuming, but that liner came up a good deal and then didn't go back nicely. The star pattern points to the vacuum IMO like it was pulled up unevenly like a teepee.

At this point, neither reason fixes it, so try working it with a toilet plunger.

 

[mikej141]

Yes, that sounds about right...perhaps next time we get a torrent like that I should walk around the bottom a bit before vacuuming...

 

[Newdude]

Got pics of the equipment and vac head? While i can dial my VS pump to a happy medium amount of suction, there's still alot of finesse involved. The angle of the pole makes a huge difference and if the pole is mostly horizontal, like doing the far side of the shallow end, it wants to pull the vac head up. When the pole is mostly vertical, such as doing the close side of the shallow end, the weight of the pole pushes the head down, making it more prone to stick. The deep end pretty much wants to stick no matter which side you're cleaning.

 

[SecoSteve]

What's under the liner? If it is a Gorilla Pad, then ground water or pool water got between the liner and Gorilla Pad and floated the liner. Our last pool had the Gorilla Pad under the liner, because we wanted a soft feeling floor. Boy, was that a mistake. We were never able to fix it until we demoed the pool and got our current one.

 

[mikej141]

What's under the liner? If it is a Gorilla Pad, then ground water or pool water got between the liner and Gorilla Pad and floated the liner. Our last pool had the Gorilla Pad under the liner, because we wanted a soft feeling floor. Boy, was that a mistake. We were never able to fix it until we demoed the pool and got our current one.

They used vermiculite...I asked why not con rete, won't water come up? They said if that much water came you'd have bigger problems.

 

[mikej141]

I will post some pics of the pump, I threw the VA uum head out since the bristles got pushed in and it was a piece of Crud.
Any recommendations on a new one?
Thoughts on if the liner can be smoothed out?

 

[Newdude]

This one with a VS pump

This one with a SS pump.

no two rigs are the same so although those worked for me in those situations, YMMV.

Thoughts on if the liner can be smoothed out?

Give it a go with a toilet plunger. We joke about buying on just for the occasion, but an old one will be sterile in seconds anyway.

 

[mikej141]

This one with a VS pump

This one with a SS pump.

no two rigs are the same so although those worked for me in those situations, YMMV.

Thank you, much Appreciated! I'll look into that. I do not have a variable speed pump. I'll post the specifics shortly. But it sucks pretty Dang hard. Hasn't been an issue in the past, but if there was water under the liner floating in a but then I can certainly understand how the vac sucked it up.

I went through heck with this pool installer. They were completely incompetent. I had the deck poured twice by them, then ended up having it redone by a separate mason.
High quality components, poor execution

 

[mikej141]

Thank you, much Appreciated! I'll look into that. I do not have a variable speed pump. I'll post the specifics shortly. But it sucks pretty Dang hard. Hasn't been an issue in the past, but if there was water under the liner floating in a but then I can certainly understand how the vac sucked it up.

I went through heck with this pool installer. They were completely incompetent. I had the deck poured twice by them, then ended up having it redone by a separate mason.
High quality components, poor execution

Just an update since last year. I had several folks come out to look at the situation. All concluded this was due to high water table when we had a SIGNIFICANT rainfall late last summer. Ground water had nowhere to go, liner floated, and settled back down like that.
Hired a very well respected repair company here in Rochester, NY...drained, hot water over wrinkle, work it back into place, refill. Much better! Wish I had their contact last year as now there are lined where the crease was. None of the big pool companies here wanted to deal with it, they make more money building pools, not dealing with this stuff.
Also, found out can reduce suction on my vacuum head by placing the Skimmer side do there is a slight gap between the Skimmer and the 'skim vac' works great.