pH over Winter

Nov 26, 2013
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Elkridge, MD
I had my pool replastered in the beginning of 2017. We had issues that summer with pH/CH rising all summer. I was continuously draining the pool and adding muriatic acid to keep the pH in range (1-2 gallons a week). When we closed the pool, all the chemicals were balanced. I did everything the same way i had closed things the past 4 years for mine and my in-laws pools.

When I opened it this spring, the pH was off the charts high, and the TA was also sky-high. After adding 7 gallons of acid over the first few days, the pH was balanced (and the TA by association). It left a ring stained around the pool where the water level was over the winter. It also made the plaster very rough with lots of pitting (requiring lots of brushing all summer to get it somewhat smooth again). The hot tub was also covered in scale from the high pH, discoloring it dramatically.

This summer we haven't had had the same issues, other than pH rising maybe slightly faster than it used to. But before I close the pool this winter, I wanted to ask for suggestions about preventing this from occurring again this winter. I have a solid cover, and i've never opened it to add chemicals mid-winter. I've never had to test the water mid-winter to make sure things were still balanced because they always were when i opened in the spring. If I should be doing either of those, or adding something additional before I close it (like lowering the pH much lower in advance), let me know what you think.

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Btw, this is what the hot tub looked like when I opened it this spring. It was way worse than the pool because the smaller amount of water in it seemed to do more damage quicker. I was thinking of leaving it open this winter to ensure it doesn't get worse (and hopefully enjoy it some in the cold months).
 

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In general, while the pH tends to creep up slightly in colder water, the cold temps lower your CSI, so in ideal scenarios they tend to balance themselves out fairly well. Not exactly sometimes, but close. Your scenario sounded difficult simply because of the new plaster that was continuously curing. Now the TA should not have increased last winter unless you added water that has a high TA in it, so that's a bit odd. But the plaster should be well under control by now. Hopefully you are taking full advantage of our PoolMath tool and referring to the CSI row to keep your water in the slightly negative range. In preparation for this winter, I would shoot for a CSI of about -0.3 to -0.6. That should hold you over well. No sense trying to test the water mid-winter unless you drop a pump in there to mix the water a bit.
 
I've always balanced out the standard chemicals using the pool math (ph/FC/TA/CYA/CH/Salt), but I'm not familiar with CSI. I see it on the Pool Math, but I haven't actively tried changing values to get that in range. I have always tried to get my other chemicals in the recommended ranges. I just put in the recommended values into the calculator, and the CSI is -.42. When I change the pH just slightly (reduce by .4 or raise by .4) it gets out of range for CSI.

Assuming my pH does rise again this winter into ranges off the chart, are there other considerations/changes I could make to other chemicals to prevent the CSI from reaching values that are bad for the pool? For instance, lowering or raising the CH, dropping TA or CYA back down for the winter, or some other change so that if the pH rises it won't affect CSI as greatly? I can't tell what the algorithm is that's being used to determine CSI to determine which chemicals change it the most.
 
As long as your pH, TA, and CH stay in the recommended levels, CSI should not be an issue.

Water temperature has a significant effect on CSI. So any normal pH rise is offset by the effect of the lower temperature.
 
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