New Pool Build - NE OK - Beginning from scratch and looking for design feedback.

Dec 11, 2024
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Tulsa Oklahoma
Hello TFP!

We built our dream/forever home about 1.5 years ago and now the wife feels it is time to add the pool of the family's dreams. A co-worker pointed me towards TFP as a tool to learn as well as engage for layout and design guidance.

A bit of background:
We live on a large acreage outside of town. We have three children ages 4, 7, and 10 along with a couple of larger breed dogs. This is legit the house and propery of our dreams and we have zero intention of moving. She has never had a pool. I grew up with a 30' inground pool my parents stil have to this day ~23 years. Growing up all of the friends always ended up at our house play games in the single level above ground pool rather than hanging out at diving pools at their own houses. The goal is for our house to be the destination for the kids' friend groups so we know where they are and know the friends. We also have a standalone spa/hot tub we would like to integrate into the final deck layout. We have spent quite a bit of time already meeting with a few different builder and looking into the different types of pools (fiberglass, gunite and vinyl) and are looking for the most durable balanced with the simplest care.​

The site details:
The home and pool site are on a slight hilltop. There is approximately 6-8' of elevation drop from the porch level (pool deck level) to the anticipated far side of the pool. The ground is clay for the first 6-12" with a quick transition to shale; no large rocks. I have a shop located about 100' away and about 12' below the deck level of the poolsite. The pool will be on the south side of the home with little shade from the house until late in the evening. There are no trees near the pool area.​

With the background now out there, this is generally where we have landed as far as a wish/spec list goes:
  • Gunite Construction (I like the idea of fiberglass but can't seem to find a good sport bottom design)
  • Sport/single depth bottom
  • 54" water depth single level
  • Roughly 16'x32' dimension rectangular pool
  • Baja/Tanning ledge is a negotiable wish depending upon feedback and cost - looking at a 5'x10' area
  • Seating/communal area for chatting while the kids are playing
  • Easy entry/play and exit for young children
  • Volleyball and Basketball are a must!
  • Heating is not extremely important, but the idea of cooling is very important to me. Many folks around here are running chiller/heat pump combos and something I would like to add.
  • Integration of the spa on the pool deck
  • Good integration with the covered porch and balcony
  • No walls or features that will block out view of the property

Things we are not too sure on:
  • Equipment Spec - brand, size, automation, must haves etc
  • Equipment Location - Does it matter if the equipment is next to our A/C units? How far is too far? What can we build to hide the equipment? Can I build a vault on the low side of the pool to house the equipment? I have a shop about 100' away and about 12' down a hill. I can install the equipment next to this shop as well. I have plenty of available space in the shop load center for power.
  • Entry stair location and design
  • Balcony stair location - spiral vs typical stairwell? Spiral give the least impact to the view from the house but are more difficult to navigate.
  • Water features - I like to keep it simple but the wife likes the idea of a feature. We would like to hear any guidance, preferences or horror stories on this front. We do live on a secluded property and do not need to drown out any traffic or city noise.
  • Pool lighting? Open book, I have never had a pool with a light.
  • Coping and decking recommendations/warning? Best bang for the buck?
  • What should we plan for in the landscaping such as lighting, speakets and such?
  • Do we need to do any planning for shade?
  • What should I plan for umbrellas/volleyball basketball?
  • If we cut the baja/tanning deck is an automatic cover worth the price?
  • What is the best security fence design?
  • Are these upgraded plaster types worth the hype?

We have found a pool builder we seem to enjoy and vibe with. He is also a home builder and does a great job at seeing the overall vision with the skills to tie it all together as we add quite a bit of decking and add the balcony stairs into the overall plan. He knows out budget. He has provided some renderings from our discussion but not the overall cost and equipment list at this point.

I have added the photos of the house as is today and the renderings. I look forward to any feedback, guidance or warnings! Please let me know if you have any questions or clarification requirements to provide the best information.

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Thank you for the warm welcome - Lot's of reading indeed. This will be nice to read in front of a warm fire with the bone chilling weather scheduled to come in this next week.
 
B,

I think it looks really neat, but....

I am not a structural engineer and have no clue about your design, but it bothers me.. I suspect that the two raised sides might be an issue over time. If this were my pool, I think I would do a combination of bringing the ground level up on the back side of the pool and lowering the dirt level on the house side of the pool. You'd have to step down from the deck and I know that is not what you want..

Let's ask @JamesW what he thinks of your design.

Most likely I am worrying over nothing. :mrgreen:

BTW, I love the view from your house... :goodjob:

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
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I've been designing pools in Fla since 2000. First of all the view of your property is absolutely gorgeous. I love your canvas.
The pool design is nice but nothing that makes it wow. I personally think all the steps are a bit busy. I understand the elevations are requiring you to have them but maybe look into the approach Jim has. Im sure the steps are adding up $$.
I think you have the perfect setting for an infinity edge along the backside of the pool. The ledge is great feature but Im not crazy about the ledge being surrounded by all those steps. That is all just eating up valuable pool space. In this the design the spa is a good bit away from the house and looks isolated from the house and pool deck area. Have you considered putting it on either of the deck areas by the house? If you are doing LED lights definitely pay attention to how many you want to be sure to illuminate it evenly. A larger size pool would be ideal but if you are already at your budget, not sure if that's possible?
 
That's a little bit small, in my opinion.

I would go up to at least 18' x 36'.

At least get a price comparison with 18 x 36 and 20 x 40.

An Infinity Edge would be a perfect choice for this lot if you can afford the extra cost and if the builder can do it.
I have not considered the infinity edge. First, I expected cost to be quite high. Second, I like the idea of folks being able to sit at pool level if they don't want to be in the water and chat with folks in the water. I haven't been around enough infiniti edge pools to know how the backside looks and functions so I will dig into those as possible options. Any idea of a rough guess of cost to add? Do the infiniti edges add any extra cleaning or maintenance work?

I am surprised to hear that is may be small but happy to further investigate. What experience or reasons do you have that makes you believe it would be a bit small?
 
I've been designing pools in Fla since 2000. First of all the view of your property is absolutely gorgeous. I love your canvas.
The pool design is nice but nothing that makes it wow. I personally think all the steps are a bit busy. I understand the elevations are requiring you to have them but maybe look into the approach Jim has. Im sure the steps are adding up $$.
I think you have the perfect setting for an infinity edge along the backside of the pool. The ledge is great feature but Im not crazy about the ledge being surrounded by all those steps. That is all just eating up valuable pool space. In this the design the spa is a good bit away from the house and looks isolated from the house and pool deck area. Have you considered putting it on either of the deck areas by the house? If you are doing LED lights definitely pay attention to how many you want to be sure to illuminate it evenly. A larger size pool would be ideal but if you are already at your budget, not sure if that's possible?
Thanks for the thoughtful feedback? Could you elaborate a bit more on the steps comment? I'm not sure how the steps on the outside of the pool are eating up pool area.

The spa isolation is somewhat on purpose but maybe we consider pulling it close to the house. We would like to keep it on the lower level to keep from blocking the porch views and the master bedroom view (windows on the left side of the back elevation view). The back of the house faces south so I would also like to keep the spa tucked behind the house to protect from the north wind in the winter.

I can also raise the elevation of the lower deck 1' to 1.5' to cut down on the qty of steps.
 

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I have never had a spa, so it's just conjecture on my part, but I think I'd be fine with your spa placement. I certainly agree on the winter wind concern. It's only about 10-12' from the pool if I'm guessing correctly. Not exactly 'distant'. I suppose the concern could be that if the folks in the spa are also the ones that are supposed to be looking after littles, it may be hard to see them on the close side of the pool. For my (future) scenario, it's mostly for my wife and I. Sure kids and others are expected to use it, but the location question would not be a concern. I definitely am pro 'separate spa'. One thing is that the spa is not fully covered in that location, so some rains could keep you out of the spa.

Our next layout may be similar with the property dropping, though less severely. Your design with steps on each side/corner is one I am envisioning (and envisioned on our current pool but didn't go with). I think it's a pretty cool design without having to ante up both for the extra cost of an infinity edge nor the complexity in design and equipment, and electricity (maybe not that much more).

Just as a note for the design in general, I'll show you a few pics below of our current pool and how we avoided doing the steps design you are planning while still allowing for a deck on the lower side that has zero settling potential. It's a concrete retaining wall that is mostly concealed by the excess dirt on the lower side. Having a pool you can fully walk around 'on the level' does have it's benefits, though as I said, I don't think the steps/lowered rear deck is a negative at all.



 
Hi and welcome to TFP! Thanks for letting us help you spend your money help you build your pool!

54" water depth single level
Love, love, love this depth! Best of both worlds as far a swimming and playing!
Volleyball and Basketball are a must!
FOR sure. Now go look at the watermelon ball game! It is THE best pool game ever!
spiral vs typical stairwell
While I LOVE how spiral stairs look I have to say they are hard to use especially while carrying something. I have a set in my pool house and SO wish I had gone wider. I think it is the fact they are thinner that cause my problems. SO if you do go spiral make sure the steps are as wide as possible-width from the center pole to the rail on the outside.

Now if you decide to go with traditional stairs I would put them to the right side of the deck when looking at the house. I would the a good zig/zag with a small "deck" in the middle as you zag down them.
Water features
You can add on a water feature using a "fountain" that can be put in one of your returns when you want to use it. It is fairly cheap to do as well as easy to add and remove as wanted. Most of the time water features are more of a "party trick" that gets less use over time.
Pool lighting
You can always put pretty lighting on the deck like this: 1737207470308.pngEasy to use and oh so pretty!
Do we need to do any planning for shade
Cantilever umbrellas! They are moveable which is very important as the sun moves each day and season. If you put a umbrella sleeve in the deck you are stuck with that spot.
equipment
No matter what brand you get make sure you get ALL model numbers AND share them here with us so we can go over them to make sure they fit YOUR pool instead of being what the PB has in stock.
spa isolation
The main concern is not being able to see the spa from inside the house or from under the deck if you are out there sitting down. Just something to keep in mind.

Pool design-I see two different designs. One with the steps going all the way across the pool and another with the steps starting and starting on either side of the shelf. I do NOT like the one that stops and starts. All I can envision is someone running into the corners of the steps while playing a rocking game of volley ball or such.

Now here is an idea-push the steps back so the whole house side of the pool starts where the shelf is. The steps would by on either side of the pool BUT not protrude into the pool. I will play around with my crude paint skills to see if I can show you what I am talking about. This gives you more pool space while still have the steps and shelf as I can see them as great hanging out spots!

Now lets talk water depth. Make sure they measure it from the bottom of the pool to the middle of the skimmer opening. Some measure it from the bottom of the pool to the coping. If this is done you lose inches of water depth.