Ionizers - Are they effective?

JoniTull

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Jul 31, 2021
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Louisiana
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13500
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Vinyl
Chlorine
Liquid Chlorine
I'm just going to post what I always post when someone asks about this:


If you are constantly having issues with algae then you aren't following the FC/CYA Levels. How are you testing your water?

As for your friend, I don't recommend taking pool care advice from someone who buys a product without actually understanding anything about it. Those are the kinds of people who fall for "I put a Magic Eraser in my skimmer and it soaked up all the algae" scams on Facebook. I usually recommend people who actively care for their pools and have clear water, they tend to know what they are doing.
I just read a post where someone has the solar ionizer since last year and she said she loves it. She said she didn't cover or add any chemicals all winter and it was pretty clear. People were going crazy with comments wanting to try it. About 4 people agreed and said they have one too, one said they don't add any chemicals to their pool, ever! I also read on the instructions of one they posted and it said to add a mineral clarifier every other week along with a shock- Refresh. Thats what I do now without the ionizer. Keep my disc tabs, shock once a week or so and add clarifier with the dolphin. I think I remember reading here somewhere that ionizer are useless. Why do they claim some are chlorine free?
 
I was “given” an in-line ionizer with my build and told to add a gallon a week of bleach (all at once) by the builder and that the ionizer would take care of the algae. I got algae almost immediately. Their advise was to “turn it up” and add two gallons a week. I struggled until we closed last year. In addition to algae and an unpleasant odor to the water, the liner was starting to stain.

I found this site over winter and started reading everything I could find in here. I turned off the ionizer and adopted TFP methods. The pool has been beautiful all season. The stains are slowly fading away from the liner.
What is the tfp method? It's crazy how different people have extreme difference in maintaining their pool. I have heard to pour a gallon of bleach in your pool each week as well. I haven't but have heard it. Currently I'm using the floating disc holders, I'm using 2 with 3 disc in each, that last 3 weeks. I add a pack of shock every 7-9 days and the clarifier occasionally with the dolphin running. My water is clear, however all of this is without the equipment running for this winter. We didn't have much of a winter, I'm in Louisiana. For reference my pool is above ground 13500 gallons round 24.
 
I just read a post where someone has the solar ionizer since last year and she said she loves it. She said she didn't cover or add any chemicals all winter and it was pretty clear. People were going crazy with comments wanting to try it. About 4 people agreed and said they have one too, one said they don't add any chemicals to their pool, ever! I also read on the instructions of one they posted and it said to add a mineral clarifier every other week along with a shock- Refresh.

Where did you read that? Likely not here.

Thats what I do now without the ionizer. Keep my disc tabs, shock once a week or so and add clarifier with the dolphin. I think I remember reading here somewhere that ionizer are useless. Why do they claim some are chlorine free?

 
What is the tfp method?
It is our way. The trouble free pool way. And the results can whoop any brochure in the land. We can have yours just as pretty and clear in no time, on the cheap with very little effort. An ounce of prevention beats a pound of cure. Check it out and make sure to scroll it all. They just keep going and going. Every last one of them is a regular joe/jane, just like you. 👇
 
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My water is clear,
Clear is one thing, Sanitized is another, and the only way to know is to Test the water for yourself with a reliable Test Kits Compared. Get your and let us know the numbers. We can go from there. Lots of help here from very fine people.
 
It is our way. The trouble free pool way. And the results can whoop any brochure in the land. We can have yours just as pretty and clear in no time, on the cheap with very little effort. An ounce of prevention beats a pound of cure. Check it out and make sure to scroll it all. They just keep going and going. Every last one of them is a regular joe/jane, just like you. 👇
Thank you!
 
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Where did you read that? Likely not here.



Thank you,
 
Joni, the method you are using sounds like it came from a pool store. If not, it's similar to what a lot of stores practice and teach. The "discs" you are describing are likely chlorine plus some other chemical. So you are actually adding chlorine to your pool. The method you're using, if done correctly, will work at first. And for a while. And your water will look clear and perhaps be properly sanitized. The problem is, those "other chemicals" in the discs will eventually build up in your pool and cause the entire method you're using to implode. You'll find it harder and harder to keep the water clear and sanitized. You'll likely end up with an algae outbreak. You will then go back to the pool store and they'll sell you more chemicals (like shock and clarifier) and you'll be well down the path to failure, like just about everyone else that has ended up here (myself included). Eventually the pool store will declare [insert plausible excuse here] and they'll tell you that you have to replace all the water in your pool, and start over. And then that will work for a while, repeat, repeat, repeat. That is how a whole lot of people take care of their pool, which is why a whole lot of people think it is the right way to do it. A whole lot of people think it's normal for their pool to get green once in a while. It's not. Or that it's normal that it needs to be emptied once a year. It's not. They figure that must be the right way, because that's what the pool store says. Guess what? It's not. It's in a pool store's best interest to sell you as many chemicals as they can talk you into, whether you need them or not. Whether it's good for your pool or not. Or good for you or not. Does this sound like a great way to take care of a pool?

It's not.

TFP teaches a method that is 100% sustainable, uses a bare number of off-the-shelf common chemicals, is inexpensive when compared to most other methods, and if done correctly virtually guarantees your water will be clearer than you've ever seen it, and it will be healthier than it's ever been. Water changes will be reduced or eliminated (I haven't had to do that ever) and the quality of the water will not only be good for you, but good for your pool's finish and equipment as well (something pool stores don't care about). We don't sell you anything, and the advice is free. This is a group of folks that just want to share what they've learned. The TFP website is sustained by member donations (voluntary), and doesn't accept advertising dollars of any kind.

Which probably all sounds too good to be true, right? But it is true. If you're on a computer, have a peek at the bottom of this page, and find the line that indicates how many TFP members there are. Yep, almost 300,000 people have learned this method of pool care (and we're not counting the ones that have learned it here but haven't yet become members). This isn't a few people trying out something new or radical, this is hundreds of thousand of people taking care of their pool with a method that has been torture-tested, in thousands of pools of every shape and size and finish, in every kind of climate, in countries all over the world, for many years.

And I don't work for TFP. I'm not trying to sell you anything. I'm just a member, like everyone else here, paying it forward.

If you're interested in learning the best way to take care of your pool, we'll show you how. That's all there is to it, that's all there is to TFP.
 
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Joni, the method you are using sounds like it came from a pool store. If not, it's similar to what a lot of stores practice and teach. The "discs" you are describing are likely chlorine plus some other chemical. So you are actually adding chlorine to your pool. The method you're using, if done correctly, will work at first. And for a while. And your water will look clear and perhaps be properly sanitized. The problem is, those "other chemicals" in the discs will eventually build up in your pool and cause the entire method you're using to implode. You'll find it harder and harder to keep the water clear and sanitized. You'll likely end up with an algae outbreak. You will then go back to the pool store and they'll sell you more chemicals (like shock and clarifier) and you'll be well down the path to failure, like just about everyone else that has ended up here (myself included). Eventually the pool store will declare [insert plausible excuse here] and they'll tell you that you have to replace all the water in your pool, and start over. And then that will work for a while, repeat, repeat, repeat. That is how a whole lot of people take care of their pool, which is why a whole lot of people think it is the right way to do it. A whole lot of people think it's normal for their pool to get green once in a while. It's not. Or that it's normal that it needs to be emptied once a year. It's not. They figure that must be the right way, because that's what the pool store says. Guess what? It's not. It's in a pool store's best interest to sell you as many chemicals as they can talk you into, whether you need them or not. Whether it's good for your pool or not. Or good for you or not. Does this sound like a great way to take care of a pool?

It's not.

TFP teaches a method that is 100% sustainable, uses a bare number of off-the-shelf common chemicals, is inexpensive when compared to most other methods, and if done correctly virtually guarantees your water will be clearer than you've ever seen it, and it will be healthier than it's ever been. Water changes will be reduced or eliminated (I haven't had to do that ever) and the quality of the water will not only be good for you, but good for your pool's finish and equipment as well (something pool stores don't care about). We don't sell you anything, and the advice is free. This is a group of folks that just want to share what they've learned. The TFP website is sustained by member donations (voluntary), and doesn't accept advertising dollars of any kind.

Which probably all sounds too good to be true, right? But it is true. If you're on a computer, have a peek at the bottom of this page, and find the line that indicates how many TFP members there are. Yep, almost 300,000 people have learned this method of pool care (and we're not counting the ones that have learned it here but haven't yet become members). This isn't a few people trying out something new or radical, this is hundreds of thousand of people taking care of their pool with a method that has been torture-tested, in thousands of pools of every shape and size and finish, in every kind of climate, in countries all over the world, for many years.

And I don't work for TFP. I'm not trying to sell you anything. I'm just a member, like everyone else here, paying it forward.

If you're interested in learning the best way to take care of your pool, we'll show you how. That's all there is to it, that's all there is to TFP.
Thank you for taking the time out to explain. If you could please confirm the way to get the method. I have downloaded the pool math app, is that where I'll learn what to add and when? I have not paid the fee because I wanted to learn more about it. Is the app and the subscription all that is need? I also researched on here to see the best test kit and I see the TF100 and the Taylor K2006 C test kit are both recommended. I will order one of these as well. I will go ahead and subscribe to the premium subscription, seems well worth it. Thanks again for your help
 
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If you could please confirm the way to get the method.
Hang around here. Ask questions. Read Pool School.


Pool math is a tool that helps with using the TFP method. You won't learn what to add there, but it will make recommendations based on the TFP guidelines.

Once you get your test kit, post a full set of results, and the brain trust on here will jump in and help you with getting them in order.


Welcome! Everyone here is always willing to lend a hand. Don't hesitate to ask any questions. No matter how 'stupid' you may deem them to be.

--Jeff
 
I have downloaded the pool math app, is that where I'll learn what to add and when
Poolmath is your best friend that always has the answers and never complains that you cheat off her. Just put in your test results and your desired end result, say you have 2 FC and want to be 6 FC, poolmath then says to add 1/2 gallon of bleach. (Or whatevs). The same goes for all the other tests. If you want to lower the PH, it will tell you to use Muraitic acid, to raise it needs borax, etc etc etc.

You get the basics for free. The subscription (which is cheap) allows you to track your results and is great for beginners. It also allows us to see your history and help further by spotting the trends that you don't know about yet. Which you will, and we'll guide you.
Don't hesitate to ask any questions. No matter how 'stupid' you may deem them to be.
^^^^^^^^^ this. Soooooooooooo much this. The worst thing you can do is overreact. Its so easy to do when fustrated. Come and ask, no matter how silly, we will be THRILLED to have one problem and not the 3 others that came with the mistake. Most of us madr whatever mistake already ouselves, and are just happy when it wasn't in vain and it saves somebody else.
 
Hey, butt out you two, she's mine!! Uh, what I meant to say was, if it's not obvious already, folks here will be fighting over answering your questions!

You start here, reading Pool School:

Pool School is a collection of articles that describes pool care basics, and the TFPC method.

Personally, I like the ebook version, because it reads end-to-end without having to hop around from webpage to webpage, trying to keep track of where you are and what you've read. The eBook and the link above are the same set of articles, so you won't miss anything using one or the other. This link seems to still be active (requires a Kindle or a Kindle app):

@Leebo will correct me if I'm wrong about the eBook still being available.

You might not "get" everything the first time through, so you might read Pool School more than once. I did. Most everyone here has, so don't worry if it all doesn't make sense the first time through.

The Pool Math app (different from Pool School) is more like a calculator/note book. You use one of the two test kits you've already found to run a few pool water tests, and then enter the test results into Pool Math. Pool Math does all the calculations, based on your pool type and size, and tells you exactly how much of what to put into your pool. Pool Math also tracks what you've added. So you can reference that in the future. You can capture notes. It can remind you when to brush, or clean your filter, etc. Pool Math is not required to run a TFP pool, but it makes it soooo much easier. As pointed out, the in-app purchase unlocks more features, and also helps fund the app development. You won't use if for long before realizing what a great tool it is, and what incredible value it offers.

You'll only need a handful of chemicals, which can be purchased from big box stores or even the grocery store, without pool store markup and cryptic brand names, which only disguise the fact that the "chemicals" they sell are mostly things like bleach, baking soda, borax, etc. Some of the pool store chemicals are more than common chemicals, but you really don't want them in your pool. I've been using the TFP method for over four years and I've used only four things all that time: chlorine (same thing as bleach), Muriatic acid, Cyanuric acid (crystal form) and salt. That's it. No clarifier, no shock, no mysterious pool stores potions. I've never changed out my water. I've never had an algae outbreak, my pool has been perfectly sanitized the whole time, and the water is crystal clear. So clear I can see the tiny pebbles in my pool's finish 7' down. I can tell you it's very comforting knowing that those are the only things I'm swimming in.

You don't need ozone or UV or mineral treatments or ionizers or any of that junk. If you're interested I can share why that is, or you can find lots of info about those treatments here at TFP. But if you've got money to burn, you can invest in a saltwater chlorine generating system and cut your maintenance chores to the bone. Many of us here have saltwater pools and swear by them (myself included). SWGs are nothing magical, they just make chlorine, in essence the same chlorine you buy at the store. Except it makes it fresh daily, and you never have to lug chlorine jugs around.

Hope that helps. And welcome aboard.
 
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Clear is one thing, Sanitized is another
I know two people with salt pools and when I asked them about how often they test, neither do. Their response was it looks great and doesn't need testing and both have lots of visitors over for swimming parties. I am new to this but as a responsible parent, I want to make sure that our pool conditions are healthy for our daughter and any friends she may have over. I'm sure over time I will learn what to expect but right now, it's daily testing.
 
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I'm sure over time I will learn what to expect but right now, it's daily testing.
Awesome !!!! I run hot. Due to 24/7 runtime, my SWG with 20% increments will either overproduce or underproduce most of the season. Once it's dialed in (After knowing the system backwards/forwards) my only question is how hot is it ? Is it a 12, or a 15 ? I test to turn it *down* :ROFLMAO: Never getting it near Slam level means it's just safe around the clock for whatever may arise.

You'll get to that point. For now, test and verify. (y)
 
I have a guy I work with that has a SWCG and doesn't test either. It kills me. I'm so glad I found this place. He is fortunate in that the Leslies that he uses does not really push any chems on him. And I did test his water one day, and that time it was relatively close to the numbers that Leslies had given him.

Just this week he was telling me he needed to shock because he was seeing algae in his pool. 🤦‍♂️

I would have fallen into the same trap/cycle that he is in, because he is the only person I knew with a pool.

Daily testing of FC/pH with a new pool. Weekly test for everything else. After several weeks you will begin to understand your pool's personality. As you learn this, you will see that you can go 2-3 days between testing, sometimes maybe more.

I test every day or two early in the season, just to make sure that when I am dialing in my SWCG and IpH that I don't get too far off base. Then as I see my FC and pH numbers are holding where I want them, and I quit having to tweak settings, I shift to every 3-4 days. I am too neurotic to go a full week between testing during swim season. During winter I will sometimes go 2 weeks between testing. Very low UV index eating up my FC and no bather load. FC will hold for quite a while. I let pH climb to 8 to help manage CSI.

I, like Dude, run hot. Usually around 7-8. I keep my CYA at 70-80. Don't want to hit the minimum. I've done that a couple times and the feeling when I see that is "whew! That was close!"

--Jeff
 
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Ditto! I test more often when the seasons are changing, but once I feel the pool is sustaining its levels I test once a week. But I don't have a lot of swimmers. If you do, test more often.

Not testing a pool at all is just irresponsible, due to ignorance of how to maintain a swimming pool. And it could negatively impact the pool itself (like how long the finish will last). The use of any sort of automatic chemical dosing system doesn't eliminate the need to properly test the water regularly.
 
I know two people with salt pools and when I asked them about how often they test, neither do. Their response was it looks great and doesn't need testing and both have lots of visitors over for swimming parties.
hmmmm... wonder if those kids get ear infections? Runny tummy? That they don't attribute to the pool?
 
I still remember that first year owning the pool. I got poolstored so bad. 🤷 give us $1,000s of dollars to ruin your summer and guess what? Give us more money and then replace your water.

The worst thing a pool store does is ask you to bring a water sample, make you buy useless things and then have you wait 48 hours before bringing another sample. Rinse, Repeat
 
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