Hosting Infant Swim Resource Classes?

[superdave5599]

Seems like this is under "Everything Else" because it is pool related. Feel free to move if necessary.

Last year, our son took the Infant Swimming Resource class. Give your child the competence, confidence and skills of aquatic safety with Infant Swimming Resource's Self-Rescue program Due to the indoor pool the instructor was using not being Trouble Free, she was getting rashes after being in the water for a few hours each day.

Instructor asked us if we would be willing to rent our pool out for her to do the lessons next summer. I like to think she was just so impressed with how nice the water was the one time she came out to do the very last lesson or two. (She'd kind of given up on being able to do the lessons in the other pool by that point. Thankfully the lesson session block was nearly done by then.)

We are more than willing to work with her and be the host pool. We just have no idea how to figure out what would be a fair rate to ask for rental!

She will be doing these lessons for 5 hours a day, 5 days a week for 6 week sessions. Maybe do a couple sessions throughout the summer.

She would provide the liability insurance through her business/her end of things.

We feel that providing the lessons offers an important resource for the community and we liked working with her as clients last year so we do want to support that. But this is also a business for her, so it does seem fair to charge some sort of rental fee. Like I said, I just have no idea where to start for what to charge.

I can't imagine this would cause a significant increase in expenses, other than maybe turning the SWG up a few percent to account for babies peeing in there. Right? ``

Thoughts? Thanks!

 

[kimkats]

No, Nope, Nodda, SAY WHAT??. Have you talked to a lawyer or your home owners insurance?

 

[proavia]

Nope - for the exact reasons @kimkats listed.

Using the pool for commercial purposes may also be against ordinances of your local jurisdiction.
And then there is the additional maintenance and cost to sanitize the water after 'deposits' are made.

 

[1poolman1]

Seems like this is under "Everything Else" because it is pool related. Feel free to move if necessary.

Last year, our son took the Infant Swimming Resource class. Give your child the competence, confidence and skills of aquatic safety with Infant Swimming Resource's Self-Rescue program Due to the indoor pool the instructor was using not being Trouble Free, she was getting rashes after being in the water for a few hours each day.

Instructor asked us if we would be willing to rent our pool out for her to do the lessons next summer. I like to think she was just so impressed with how nice the water was the one time she came out to do the very last lesson or two. (She'd kind of given up on being able to do the lessons in the other pool by that point. Thankfully the lesson session block was nearly done by then.)

We are more than willing to work with her and be the host pool. We just have no idea how to figure out what would be a fair rate to ask for rental!

She will be doing these lessons for 5 hours a day, 5 days a week for 6 week sessions. Maybe do a couple sessions throughout the summer.

She would provide the liability insurance through her business/her end of things.

We feel that providing the lessons offers an important resource for the community and we liked working with her as clients last year so we do want to support that. But this is also a business for her, so it does seem fair to charge some sort of rental fee. Like I said, I just have no idea where to start for what to charge.

I can't imagine this would cause a significant increase in expenses, other than maybe turning the SWG up a few percent to account for babies peeing in there. Right? ``

Thoughts? Thanks!

Not likely that your pool would meet the requirements of a "commercial" pool, which are much more stringent than a residential pool. To begin, if your pool isn't fenced with code-compliant fencing, that could cost in the several thousands of dollars. Then there's the signage that is always required, etc. Then, you would open yourself up to having the pool inspected by whatever agency inspects commercial pools, and the various costs involved there. Do you have hand rails? Are they the proper distance from the deck and the steps? The list goes on.
The instructor's insurance would not cover you if someone were injured and the amount of rent you might receive would not even be close to what a commercial policy on your property would cost.
the list goes on.
There was a movement a few years ago to have homeowners rent their pools for parties, etc. It, thankfully, died a quick death. No one could get liability insurance for such an enterprise.

 

[wireform]

The chemistry would be different then the TFP standards too.

 

[Mdragger88]

You sound very nice to consider this but I would just tell her that unfortunately your insurance prohibits this. Sooner rather than later so she has time to make other arrangements for her other clients. If it were just your child & maybe 1 close friend or relative’s child it would be different.

 

[superdave5599]

I changed the title to hopefully more accurately reflect the question.

I'm generally aware of a/the app where you could "rent" out your pool to others who are on vacation. I can certainly agree that, for many reasons, this seems like a disaster waiting to happen. But that isn't what this is.

I also question the thought that this would somehow convert the pool into a "commercial" pool, though I can see why that thought comes along, and perhaps there is some technicality in that I need to look more into. Knowing my community and the lax-ness of other things, I would bet the water bill to fill it that there aren't' any local ordinances prohibiting something like this. But it can't hurt to check!

It does have a fence, thankfully.

Good thought to check with my insurance company (as well as get more information about whatever liability insurance would be provided). We do have an umbrella policy.

Bought the umbrella policy because when we bought this house, we kept the old house and have it as a rental. Plus with the pool and knowing we'd be having friends and our teenager's friends over a bunch, and multi-policy discount(s) it just made sense to have it. We were thinking of doing this through the LLC that the rental property goes through, but I could see that causing some confusion with the "commercial" part of it and may be a reason to not run it through the LLC or whatever. (Maybe it just needs to be a trade, like free lessons for our son and call that good.)

So, there are some good things to think about here, for sure.

Knowing the little bit of what I do about ISR, this instructor cannot be the only person in this position. So surely others have successfully navigated the concerns outlined.

Lets pretend we figure out that we won't be violating any ordinances and I wouldn't be subject to "commercial" testing standards and the insurance is sorted out. Thoughts on how to figure out what would be a fair rate?

 

[proavia]

Is someone getting paid to provide a service to other than your immediate family while they are using your pool?

Are you receiving renumeration for the use of your pool?

Pretend all you want - it's still a commercial endeavour and entails all the legal ramifications that come along with that.

 

[Jimrahbe]

Dave,

I think you are asking the wrong people...

Your swim instructor should be telling you how much she is willing to spend, and then you can decide if it is worth it or not.

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[Newdude]

Your homeowners and umbrella is detailed that the home is residential and you certified as such with several real questions about it. No rooms for rent, no commercial vehicles on the property, etc etc.

Taking payments of any kind for use of space is renting and it changes what you previously setup IMO.

Even allowing use of space for free is questionable at best.

 

[Mdragger88]

All the liabilities aside- do you know how much she was paying at the last facility? That would be where to start for numbers if you’re still considering this. I personally wouldn’t do more than just my kid & a friend’s maybe.
Around here the people that do lessons mostly just come to your house for 1 on 1 or like I mentioned with a kid or two that are a relative/friend of the homeowner. My sister recently had a lady give her son & her bf’s son lessons in her pool. Most of the people that want lessons for their children are because they have access to a pool. Sounds like without a proper facility this instructor will need to change her business model a little.