Drinkable pool water system?

Eryca

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Aug 7, 2018
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Canton
Anyone have this? We're about to replace our vinyl liner and thinking about switching to this system. The initial installation fee is $5600, but only $330 maintenance costs every two years.

I HATE chlorine and LOVE the idea of being able to use the backwash to water my garden and lawn.

Thoughts?
 
Welcome to TFP!

What do you hate about chlorine? I've been following TFP for over ten years now and despite using higher chlorine levels than most pools the water feels quite comfy. People have asked if I'm using some chlorine-free system because it is so different than any other pool they have swam in. So I'm kind of curious just how chlorine is a bad thing when it keeps water safe and comfortable.
 
Skeptical about the EPA, but totally on board with believing the marketing claims of a company attempting to sell you something?

Guess we and you are skeptical about different things. Regardless of such matters, that product does not properly sanitize a pool. It is sold via scare tactics and lies about the effects of water chlorination. It does not leave a sanitizer in the bulk water to prevent person to person disease transmission. The only sanitation it does provide is confined to a small UV-C unit, the sanitation potential of which cannot be measured and is impossible to know if it is properly working and offering any sanitation to the water. Algae is prevented through the use of copper, a metal. The presence of copper can lead to staining of pool surfaces, as well as hair and fingernails of those using the pool. It provides no sanitation. The use of "oxygen" is a marketing gimmick, it does not sanitize water and offers very little in the way of waste oxidation.

To be blunt: it's junk. Most self-diagnosed chlorine allergies are reactions to chloromines from pools without enough chlorine to properly handle the load. It's unfortunate that companies like this one have turned this around and convinced people otherwise to sell their product. Call me a skeptic, but I don't believe companies that are caught openly lying on their website. Nor do I dismiss my own experience, and the experience of countless others on this website who have successfully managed chlorine pools that do not resemble in any way the typical pool care others seem to associate with chlorine.
 
The titanium “oxygen electrode” looks eerily similar to a SWG cell grid. They used the word deadly to describe adding salt to a pool. I’m not buying it. 5600 is steep too.
 
Also the term drinkable pool water and NSF 61 implies your pool will be drinkable. The only place I saw NSF 61 is the rating for the filter they are using.
 
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Skeptical about the EPA, but totally on board with believing the marketing claims of a company attempting to sell you something?

Guess we and you are skeptical about different things. Regardless of such matters, that product does not properly sanitize a pool. It is sold via scare tactics and lies about the effects of water chlorination. It does not leave a sanitizer in the bulk water to prevent person to person disease transmission. The only sanitation it does provide is confined to a small UV-C unit, the sanitation potential of which cannot be measured and is impossible to know if it is properly working and offering any sanitation to the water. Algae is prevented through the use of copper, a metal. The presence of copper can lead to staining of pool surfaces, as well as hair and fingernails of those using the pool. It provides no sanitation. The use of "oxygen" is a marketing gimmick, it does not sanitize water and offers very little in the way of waste oxidation.

To be blunt: it's junk. Most self-diagnosed chlorine allergies are reactions to chloromines from pools without enough chlorine to properly handle the load. It's unfortunate that companies like this one have turned this around and convinced people otherwise to sell their product. Call me a skeptic, but I don't believe companies that are caught openly lying on their website. Nor do I dismiss my own experience, and the experience of countless others on this website who have successfully managed chlorine pools that do not resemble in any way the typical pool care others seem to associate with chlorine.
Thank you for your knowledge. I'm still on the fence and take everything with a grain of salt. I will continue to research... I'd like to add I've also looked into the "natural or pond" pools. They look gross, but if properly maintained they are healthy as well.
 
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Unfortunately the natural pool trend is also full of misrepresentation and half-truths. A pond is hundreds of thousands of gallons of water and an entire living ecosystem balanced to keep things relatively safe. A pool is much smaller and requires extensive modifications to even come close to the safety of a pond. Even then it is still not safe from person to person transmission of disease, the most realistic threat to using a pool. Well, that and brain eating amoebas. Yes, that is an all-too-real thing...

The bottom line is that unless a system has a sanitizer in the bulk pool water (specifically chlorine, bromine, or biguanide) then it is just not truly safe. Now a homeowner is free to operate a pool in a manner they see fit, there are no regulations on private pools. However, that's not how TFP rolls. There is no support of such systems, and we (somewhat gleefully, sometimes) call out their lies and half-truths any time they are brought up.

If chlorine really isn't an option, biguanide is. It carries a well earned negative reputation around here, but it is safe when operated correctly. Costly and prone to failure, but safe.
 
My husband is super crazy sensitive to chlorine. Even with low, almost nonexistent levels he gets a rash. His father too. Also looking for a way to use all the wasted backwash water
We have several medically diagnosed skin sensitivities here and swim in a liquid-chlorine-sanitized salt-for-comfort pool here :) Not one rash when we swim in our private pool, completely different story if we decide to visit the local aquatic center!
I definitely understand your concerns and skeptics, but I can speak from personal experience, that LESS is more!! Especially when dealing with sensitivities!
We do not spend hardly any money on chemicals (just liquid chlorine additions as needed to maintain a safe FC), just refilling testing reagents as needed. :)
 
I was a chlorine hater when I started as well, But thanks to Chemgeek, a former poster and scientist, he showed me facts that chlorine is the safest sanitizer for a pool and the effects of CYA on chlorine which most government agencies did not recognize. Also, my father in law had difficulties with rash from chlorine and bromine when he had a hot tub and finally got rid of it. He does not get a rash when he swims in my pool. I realize this is just anecdotal, but does warrant some research. If I were you I would get the liner changed, switch to TFP system and see how your husband does, If still a problem you can spend the big money but I think @Donaldson is right, this is not something new just repackaged to sell, because it is proven that UV systems alone are not safe sanitation. By the way copper has been implicated as a possible contributor to Parkinson's. So you may be trading something not great for human consumption (Chlorine) to something worse. If @djdonte is correct that the "oxygen electrode" is a SWG then you are back to chlorine, wasted a lot of money and used a second thing that is possibly not good for your health.
 
My Standard Rant:
Read the book, buy the test kit, add Liquid Chlorine for your Cyanuric Acid as directed (Probably have to SLAM for a little bit), enjoy your Trouble Free Pool

Here's the thing, nobody here is trying to make money off of you, we have no interest in selling you any gizmo's or products. The Pool Store sees dollar signs every time you walk through the door, and there goal is to extract as much green from your wallet as possible. The advice here is solid, backed by empirical data and years (sometimes decades) of experience with all types of swimming pools and all of the problems that come with them. So you have to ask yourself, who has your best interests in mind, and who's going to do a better job taking care of your pool, you (backed by this site and a solid test kit giving you known results as frequently as you need them) or some guy at a pool store who is at best a teenager who doesn't have a clue what he's doing, or at worst someone out to fleece you for as much as they can get.
/end rant
 
Also @Eryca if you are worried about wasting water from backwashing, then you can install a cartridge filter instead of a sand filter. No backwashing required, and when you do need to clean the cartridge you can just hose it down on the lawn, no water wasted.
 
Also by the way as to cost. I spend less than $150/yr on chemicals using TFP method. So no up front cost other than you will need to buy a test kit which is a little over $100 last time I looked. Try it while investigating, If you are searching here for more info start with "best way to sanitize a pool chemgeek," I have not done it but I am sure you will find it interesting. Also after you find out more what the new system you are looking at really consists of, search that here again with Chemgeek in the search and you will probably find some good info. Not much to loose, but a lot to gain.
 
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Not sure why you hate chlorine. As for the rash, as someone says, most likely a result of chloramines. The free chlorine (FC) in your pool kills algae, etc. If your FC bonds with nitrogen or ammonia, then you have combined chloramines (CC) which does not have sanitizing power anymore. A perfect pool has a FC in the proper level (lots of factors, lets just say 5ppm but know that you need to look up in a table for your specific situation) and have a CC of 0.

Chloramines, or combined chlorine smell bad, they are eye and skin irritants, and they get in the way of free chlorine trying to do its job. When a pool smells strongly of Chlorine, what smells is not free available chlorine, but chloramines. The ironic solution to the problem of a strong chlorine smell is to add more chlorine to the pool, much more, to break apart the molecular bond of the chloramine. Shocking the pool to remove chloramines also has the side benefit of oxidizing every other pathogenic contaminants in the water, disinfecting and essentially sterilizing the pool water.

Most often CC is created when FC attacks sweat, urine, body oil, sunscreen, algae, etc.

So the more likely solution to the rash is CC, not FC.

As for reusing your backwash, you can do that with a chlorine pool with a tiny bit of work/planning. If you get a rain barrell, take your backwash and simply fill the rain barrel with it. You can either wait for nature/time. etc to break your FC down to zero so as not to harm your plants, or you can buy a product to add that will eliminate any FC. You can also buy an RV water filter and add that to the hose, as the carbon filter will absorb the chlorine. I guess this does not apply to a salt water pool, as you dont want to put the salt onto your plants.
 
Let’s hold off and let the OP catch their breath and digest a bit. All good information though.
 
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