Converting to salt.

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MA5177

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Phoenix, AZ
Pool Size
12500
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
CircuPool RJ-45
Hi all, long time pool owner here.
I have a older pool we are going to have replastered and am thinking of converting to salt water, it has copper plumbing and no heater. What do I need and should I do it? Thanks in advance
 
Copper plumbing should be no problem with a SWG. Cast iron plumbing could be a problem. Many pool heaters have copper heat exchangers.

How many gallons in your pool? We recommend you get a SWG whose generating capacity is is 2X your pool volume.


 
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Copper plumbing should be no problem with a SWG. Cast iron plumbing could be a problem. Many pool heaters have copper heat exchangers.

How many gallons in your pool? We recommend you get a SWG whose generating capacity is is 2X your pool volume.


Thanks for the response, my pool is 17-20k gallons by best estimate.
 
A properly sized unit needs to run 24/7 to produce the needed FC in most climates. Which is why we recommend double size. It allows you to run it about half as much which gives you breathing room and extends the life of the unit by all that run time you didn’t need per day. Where abouts a do you live ? Up north a 40k will be plenty but down south a 60K might be an even better choice.
 
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One more question... how long do you have to run your pump every day for these to work properly?
Your output is a combination of your pump runtime and the % output of your SWCG.

I have a VS pump and run the pump 24/7 at low speeds, and I adjust the % output depending on my needs. Now it is at 5% and in the heat of the summer it will be 40% or so.

If I did not have a pump I could run at low speeds, I would make sure the % output was 100% and adjust my pump run times to meet my needs.
 
A properly sized unit needs to run 24/7 to produce the needed FC in most climates. Which is why we recommend double size. It allows you to run it about half as much which gives you breathing room and extends the life of the unit by all that run time you didn’t need per day. Where abouts a do you live ? Up north a 40k will be plenty but down south a 60K might be an even better choice.
I live in Southern California, and usually only run my pump for 5 hours a day to save power. Running 24 hours or even 12 seems like this may end up being a way more expensive option than just sticking with chlorine.
 
What kind of pump do you have? My VS at low speeds uses as much electricity as a ceiling fan, so I might see $20 on my monthly bill.

If you have a single speed pump you just have to make sure your SWCG is sized at least 2x for your pool so you can generate enough chlorine in your 5 hours. For example, if you had a 13k pool and a SWCG for a 40k pool (the most common SWCG) then your 5 hours of run time would add 2.7 of FC daily at 100% output.
 
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I live in Southern California, and usually only run my pump for 5 hours a day to save power. Running 24 hours or even 12 seems like this may end up being a way more expensive option than just sticking with chlorine
Of course in the early/late season it’s less demand, but most 2X units need to run around 12 hours per day to produce enough FC in the peak season. With a VS pump it is peanuts and you can even do it at night when the electric rates are less (based on what I’ve read here about CA). In the spring and fall you could very well be at 5 or 6 hours run time and it would be cheaper. Single speed pumps are energy hogs though so it’s something to consider for sure if you have one.

If that’s the case, going 3X with a 60k unit would let you run about 8 hours in the peak season and 2-4 hours early/late.
 
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Of course in the early/late season it’s less demand, but most 2X units need to run around 12 hours per day to produce enough FC in the peak season. With a VS pump it is peanuts and you can even do it at night when the electric rates are less (based on what I’ve read here about CA). In the spring and fall you could very well be at 5 or 6 hours run time and it would be cheaper. Single speed pumps are energy hogs though so it’s something to consider for sure if you have one.

If that’s the case, going 3X with a 60k unit would let you run about 8 hours in the peak season and 2-4 hours early/late.
Im a demo contractor and have a VS pump I got off a job, didn’t know they make that much difference going to get it hooked up soon.
 
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Im a demo contractor and have a VS pump I got off a job, didn’t know they make that much difference going to get it hooked up soon.
My 3 HP VS pump was able to move the same amount of water at a trickle while using around 120 watts. Full throttle was 2800W and comparable to many SS pumps. A smaller VS will have to run a little higher to have the same flow, but there will still be big savings.

have a VS pump I got off a job, didn’t know they make that much difference going to get it hooked up soon.
Playing devils advocate on myself, there are several factors to consider such as a short swim season for some, or only needing a smaller pump for a smaller pool. Other times there are even more pressing things to spend the monies on. Life sometimes has a way of cutting into the luxury item budget and you have to get by with what is already paid for.

Seeing how you have one for free already, your ‘return on investment’ will be immediate and your savings will be that much more with a long CA swim season. Keep us posted !!
 
To help you compare apples to apples, I live not far from you. I have a SWG rated for 40K gallons and a pool volume of just over 18K gallons. I need to run my SWG at 100% for 8-10 hours during the peek summer season, which makes up for daily chlorine loss of 3-4 ppm. I have a 3 hp Pentair IntelliFlo VS. At 1455 RPM energy consumption is 210 watts. At 2800 RPM energy consumption is 1458 watts (7 times more). I only need to run at higher speeds for a couple hours per day.
 
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Thanks all, still trying to figure out is SWG is the way to go or not. Seems like cost savings isn’t really an upside it seems more of a wash if at all
 
Seems like cost savings isn’t really an upside it seems more of a wash if at all
Yep. I looked at mine as I was pre-paying for chlorine, with the real benefit being in convenience. If I need to "add" chlorine, I whip out my phone and can make the % output adjustments in less than 2 mins the few times a year where I do have to make an adjustment. That sure beats adding chlorine on a daily basis.
 
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As long as you are willing to add liquid chlorine EVERY DAY to the pool during swim season, buy, store, etc the liquid chlorine needed, the cost of just the chlorine, over time , is essentially equivalent.
 
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Get your VS pump installed asap. Please fill in your signature with all your equipment and models. Something like my signature is very helpful with all the advice we offer, including this conversation. Depending on what kind of pump you have now, you could see an immediate and drastic reduction in your power bill.

An SWG has a lifespan. X number of hours of chlorine production, then it's done, and you buy a new one. For most brands, you only buy the replacement cell, not the whole setup. So your initial cost will be up there, but subsequent replacements will be less. The cell is a consumable item, just like chlorine. Depending on your use, and the size of your pool and SWG, you might get three years out of one, or you might get seven, or ten. But others here have done the math many times, and the long term cost of running an SWG is about the same as buying all the liquid chlorine you'd need over the same time span. One method is not significantly cheaper than the other.

The difference is primarily in convenience. An SWG means no more lugging, storing and dosing of liquid chlorine. It makes a huge difference in the amount of time you need to spend maintaining a pool, and it generally makes for a better overall experience (nicer feeling water, less "chloriney," which is a bit lengthy to explain, but true).

Bottom line, I don't think we've ever read here that someone regrets owning an SWG. It's the opposite. Many claim they would never have a pool without one (I'm in that group.) Some claim they would rather fill in their pool with dirt than run it without an SWG...
 
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Oh, to be fair, you need to know the following. SWGs don't work in cold water. Different brands have different thresholds, but they are all around 50° or so. So if your pool gets colder than that in the winter (mine does) then you have to shut down the SWG and go back to dosing manually. My "cold season" lasts about three months. When the water is this cold, the chlorine consumption goes way down, so I can get by with adding chlorine once a week. So that's about 12 times a year in Central CA. Might be less where you are... So yes, even with an SWG, I still have to do some buying and lugging and dosing of liquid chlorine, but I still wouldn't give up my SWG! No way would I use liquid chlorine all year...
 

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