Can’t connect IAqualink 3.0 to new Intelliflo3 vsf

[Gschaef]

Just recently upgraded my old jandy pda to the new iaqualink 3.0, worked perfectly with my old single speed whisperflo pump, I then upgraded to a Intelliflo3 vsf 11075, wired it according to the manual, but I can't control it using the IAqualink interface, the connect light on the pump is magenta colored which means the pump is being controlled by external automation, but it’s not, so for now I have the communication cable disconnected so I can use the pentair app to run schedules and power on and off.
Anybody else have this problem?

 

[Jimrahbe]

G,

It is never a good idea to mix brands when they have to communicate with each other over RS-485.

In the old days, it appears to me that Hayward, Jandy, and Pentair tried to make there equipment interchangaeable. But, as time when on, I don't think they are doing that any more.

It will be interesting to see if any of our other users have had luck controlling the new IntelliFlo3 with Jandy or Hayward automation systems.

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[MSchutzer]

A few questions:

Have you wired the new pump so that it is receiving continuous power? It should be wired directly to its GFCI breaker and not powered through the relay that controlled your previous pump.

Have you selected intelliflow pump in the VSP pump setup page. Show us this page on your web interface setup screen.

Your screen should say Intelliflow VS instead of ePump, and you need to have filtration set as the application to associate the pump with the filtering function.

Also show us the speed setup pages:

And:


The motor seems to be hearing RS485 signals from the aqualink system, but you need to tell Aqualink the kind of pump attached to it.

Also make sure that the new pump is set for the first address, I would expect this to be the default, but you should check that. The Intelliflow manual should mention the addresses somewhere.

 

[Gschaef]

Thanks Jim, I did talk to a pentair rep and was told if I used their intellicom2 adapter that it would work but $200 later and still nothing

 

[Gschaef]

A few questions:

Have you wired the new pump so that it is receiving continuous power? It should be wired directly to its GFCI breaker and not powered through the relay that controlled your previous pump.

Have you selected intelliflow pump in the VSP pump setup page. Show us this page on your web interface setup screen.
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Your screen should say Intelliflow VS instead of ePump, and you need to have filtration set as the application to associate the pump with the filtering function.

Also show us the speed setup pages:
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And:
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The motor seems to be hearing RS485 signals from the aqualink system, but you need to tell Aqualink the kind of pump attached to it.

Also make sure that the new pump is set for the first address, I would expect this to be the default, but you should check that. The Intelliflow manual should mention the addresses somewhere.

I did wire it directly to the breaker, and believe that I have all set up right but let me know if you see something wrong here

 

[MSchutzer]

The Aqualink system works with Intelliflow 2 pumps just fine, but you have to choose between speed mode or flow mode.

A question to ask would be do Pentair automation systems need code upgrades to support this new pump? I doubt it. There’s no reason to believe that Pentair’s RS485 motor command protocols would have changed otherwise older Pentair systems wouldn’t work either.

But until someone gets the Intelliflow 3 up and working with the Aqualink system who knows?

 

[MSchutzer]

I did wire it directly to the breaker, and believe that I have all set up right but let me know if you see something wrong here

I think I would try to set it up as Intelliflow VS as a starting point and use speeds 600, 3450, and 2600 for priming. I would also change the speed setting table over to RPM’s, increments of 25 RPM are valid in that table.

This most closely follows the Jandy ePump command set. I managed to get a Vgreen165 motor to communicate to the Aqualink system by changing the motor’s configuration but the point is that the speed setting commands for the Vgreen, ePump, and Pentair pumps are all very similar in their formats with different headers, addressing, and checksums. But the basic motor commands are all the same. The constant flow commands that you are trying to use are unique to Pentair, and those may not be supported.

Please give it a try when choosing Intelliflow VS pump type and see if you have any more success?

 

[Gschaef]

I think I would try to set it up as Intelliflow VS as a starting point and use speeds 600, 3450, and 2600 for priming. I would also change the speed setting table over to RPM’s, increments of 25 RPM are valid in that table.

This most closely follows the Jandy ePump command set. I managed to get a Vgreen165 motor to communicate to the Aqualink system by changing the motor’s configuration but the point is that the speed setting commands for the Vgreen, ePump, and Pentair pumps are all very similar in their formats with different headers, addressing, and checksums. But the basic motor commands are all the same. The constant flow commands that you are trying to use are unique to Pentair, and those may not be supported.

Please give it a try when choosing Intelliflow VS pump type and see if you have any more success?

I’ll try that tomorrow and let you how I make out, I did try entering the priming speeds and get a pop up that says you can only make that change at the pump, also on the app if you can choose between speed and flow but the speed is a percentage from 0% to 100% not rpm

 

[ajw22]

Pentair and Jandy use different color codes for the wires on the RS-485 connection. Read this and check the wiring…

Jandy Aqualink RS - Further Reading

www.troublefreepool.com

I think @PoolGate runs an IntelliFlo pump with iAqualink.

 

[Gschaef]

Pentair and Jandy use different color codes for the wires on the RS-485 connection. Read this and check the wiring…

Jandy Aqualink RS - Further Reading

www.troublefreepool.com

I think @PoolGate runs an IntelliFlo pump with iAqualink.

Right now I have it connected to the intellicom2 interface adapter which uses the same color code as the pump since they’re both pentair, if I turn all four speeds on, all four leds light up on the interface adapter but still won’t turn the pump on

 

[MSchutzer]

Another thing, the way you have Aux’s assigned to Pool, Spa, and Cleaner is weird.

Aux’s are usually 1, 2, 3 and so on and while you can rename them the pool filtration is essentially hard coded to Aux 0 and that shouldn’t be changed. This corresponds with the filter /pump relay that isn’t used in a VSP application, but the filter pump that runs on both pool and spa modes expects that to be on Aux0 by default.

By assigning different Aux’s to those functions you may be disabling the automatic activation of the pump when you don’t have those associated Aux’s activated, as you have reassigned the pump to something other than the internal Aux 0.

I would recommend that you set the Aux assignment’s for pool, spa, and cleaner in the speed assignment table all to N/A just to eliminate that as an issue. If you get a baseline config working you can then start changing things.

 

[MSchutzer]

Also, have you checked the pump’s RS485 address setting I. The menu of the pump? By default it’s supposed to be set to address 1, which corresponds to pump1 in the Aqualink setup, but it can’t hurt to verify the pump address.

 

[MSchutzer]

Right now I have it connected to the intellicom2 interface adapter which uses the same color code as the pump since they’re both pentair, if I turn all four speeds on, all four leds light up on the interface adapter but still won’t turn the pump on

Do you have all four RS485 wires connected between the intellicom 2 and the pump? Have you set up the pump already for program 1 through 4 on the pump?

Also check the pump address on the pumps menu via the pumps app and make sure it’s on address 1

 

[HermanTX]

I did wire it directly to the breaker, and believe that I have all set up right but let me know if you see something wrong here

Try to set it up as Intelliflo VS (speed mode). The aqualink should work that way.
Also, do you have the RS 485 cable connected correctly to the RED connector? It is only the Green and Yellow wire. I only need to use the 2 wires with my Pentair IntelliFlo VSF pump 011056

I have the Intelliflo VSF (not the 3 version) with my AquaLink, I have it set to the VS mode in pump selection.

 

[MSchutzer]

Do you have all four RS485 wires connected between the intellicom 2 and the pump? Have you set up the pump already for program 1 through 4 on the pump?

A correction, it looks like pins 1 and 4 of the intellicom 2 adapter need to connect to pins 1 and 4 of Aqualink board, and pins 2 and 3 of the intellicom 2 connect to the pump

 

[generessler]

In case helpful, here are my settings. I have the next generation older Intelliflo VS, wired as shown in the article mentioned above. Has always worked fine. Freeze protect is 1700 btw.

 

[Gschaef]

A correction, it looks like pins 1 and 4 of the intellicom 2 adapter need to connect to pins 1 and 4 of Aqualink board, and pins 2 and 3 of the intellicom 2 connect to the pump

Yes, that’s how I have it wired, and it is set to adress 1 (factory default)

Another thing, the way you have Aux’s assigned to Pool, Spa, and Cleaner is weird.

Aux’s are usually 1, 2, 3 and so on and while you can rename them the pool filtration is essentially hard coded to Aux 0 and that shouldn’t be changed. This corresponds with the filter /pump relay that isn’t used in a VSP application, but the filter pump that runs on both pool and spa modes expects that to be on Aux0 by default.

By assigning different Aux’s to those functions you may be disabling the automatic activation of the pump when you don’t have those associated Aux’s activated, as you have reassigned the pump to something other than the internal Aux 0.

I would recommend that you set the Aux assignment’s for pool, spa, and cleaner in the speed assignment table all to N/A just to eliminate that as an issue. If you get a baseline config working you can then start changing things.

the reason the aux’s are this way is the intellicom2 manual says to use the aux1 to the filter pump relay port on the jandy board, but it also says they can be assigned to any port, and I’ve been trying all kinds of different scenarios. when i turn the pump on the IAqualink the led for that aux port lights up on the intellicom2 so i assume it is sending a signal to the pump to run but nothing happens at the pump,I did try changing the pump config to intelliflo vs and changed the speeds and still no luck, at this point I think im going to disconnect the intellicom2 and wire it back to the jandy system and try it in the vs mode
Starting to think there’s something wrong with the pcb on the pump

 

[MSchutzer]

Okay is see why you have it configured with the Aux’s regarding the intellicom2.

You have two different RS-485 interfaces involved between the Jandy system and the intellicom2 and they both have different ways of talking to the pump. The intellicom2 sends commands to the pump to trigger one of four preset programs (that control the speed). You are setting up the Aux outputs on the Jandy system to act as the triggers for each of the four inputs on the intellicom2 board.

You really shouldn’t need this intellicom2 board in theory as the Jandy system can directly communicate with an Intellflo VS pump. This is know to work with the previous gen’s of that pump, it should also work with the gen 3 of the motor (hopefully).

The way the Jandy system talks to pump motor is via just a few commands such as ”set motor demand (speed)”, ”execute (go)”, “stop”, and “status (reads back motor status and power consumption). That’s about it. All the on off timing is controlled by the Jandy system by issuing speed, go and stop commands. Even the priming function is controlled the same way. The Jandy system knows nothing about the programs set up on the pump and the RS-485 link commands override the internal pumps interface.

When you said that the light on the pump was magenta indicating the RS485 link was active, was this with the intellicom2 in the system, or when the Jandy RS-485 connection was hooked up?

You may have 2 things going on here, the intellicom2 should definitely control the pump assuming you have the four programs set up. That’s a concern that it doesn’t work.

The Jandy system should also talk directly to the pump in the Vs mode.

That Magenta light that you got indicates the motor is seeing valid RS485 commands so there’s a mystery here.

Just another thought, are there any settings in the Pentair pump app regarding the RS-485 interface, like something that selects which type of Pentair device that it’s talking to?

 

[Gschaef]

Okay is see why you have it configured with the Aux’s regarding the intellicom2.

You have two different RS-485 interfaces involved between the Jandy system and the intellicom2 and they both have different ways of talking to the pump. The intellicom2 sends commands to the pump to trigger one of four preset programs (that control the speed). You are setting up the Aux outputs on the Jandy system to act as the triggers for each of the four inputs on the intellicom2 board.

You really shouldn’t need this intellicom2 board in theory as the Jandy system can directly communicate with an Intellflo VS pump. This is know to work with the previous gen’s of that pump, it should also work with the gen 3 of the motor (hopefully).

The way the Jandy system talks to pump motor is via just a few commands such as ”set motor demand (speed)”, ”execute (go)”, “stop”, and “status (reads back motor status and power consumption). That’s about it. All the on off timing is controlled by the Jandy system by issuing speed, go and stop commands. Even the priming function is controlled the same way. The Jandy system knows nothing about the programs set up on the pump and the RS-485 link commands override the internal pumps interface.

When you said that the light on the pump was magenta indicating the RS485 link was active, was this with the intellicom2 in the system, or when the Jandy RS-485 connection was hooked up?

You may have 2 things going on here, the intellicom2 should definitely control the pump assuming you have the four programs set up. That’s a concern that it doesn’t work.

The Jandy system should also talk directly to the pump in the Vs mode.

That Magenta light that you got indicates the motor is seeing valid RS485 commands so there’s a mystery here.

Just another thought, are there any settings in the Pentair pump app regarding the RS-485 interface, like something that selects which type of Pentair device that it’s talking to?

Yes, the connect button on the pump turn’s magenta with either the intellicom2 or the jandy connected and the pump app says it’s being controlled by external automation so you can’t run programs from the app when its connected to either system, there is a external controls progam page in the app that you can set speeds or gpm for four different programs which i have programmed, but I don’t see a way to tell it what system you’re using
Thanks for your help!

 

[HermanTX]

You really shouldn’t need this intellicom2 board in theory as the Jandy system can directly communicate with an Intellflo VS pump. This is know to work with the previous gen’s of that pump, it should also work with the gen 3 of the motor (hopefully).

The way the Jandy system talks to pump motor is via just a few commands such as ”set motor demand (speed)”, ”execute (go)”, “stop”, and “status (reads back motor status and power consumption). That’s about it. All the on off timing is controlled by the Jandy system by issuing speed, go and stop commands. Even the priming function is controlled the same way. The Jandy system knows nothing about the programs set up on the pump and the RS-485 link commands override the internal pumps interface.

@Gschaef I am in agreement with @MSchutzer If the IntelliFlo Pump (previous generation before the IntelliFlo3 model) was able to talk with the Jandy Automation by the simple RS485 cable then the same logic "should" be applied. I read through the Intelliccom2 manual and see what they are trying to do, but I think a direct connection from the Pump RS485 board to the Jandy Automation RED connector is worth a try. Toss out the Intellicom2 card for this to work. The only thing you need to ensure that that you use only the Green & Yellow wires and put them differently into the Jandy RED connector.
See my picture of the RED connector where I reversed the Yellow & Green wires. Only connect the RS-485 cable to the DATA points on the pump, ie. only use the Green & Yellow wires. The other 4 smaller wires on the RED connector was to the Jandy antenna.

Once you make the connection (power to the Jandy automation should be OFF), Let the system reboot so it sees the new connection and then go through pump set up using VS pump as shown by @generessler in post #16. My screens look identical to his (other then selected speeds for each function).