Best way to reshape pool floor and slope during renovation?

dan0788

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Sep 9, 2021
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I'm in the early stages of planning a major renovation which will be a mix of DIY work and subcontracting. The pool is an 60 year old steel wall that has deteriorated over the years. The walls are collapsing, and the pool floor has eroded in spots due to groundwater issues and what I believe was a poor vermiculite job before we bought the house.

The pool measures 17' x 33', with a very small shallow end and a long slope that drops down to an 8' deep hopper. We're looking to replace it with a kit from Pool Warehouse that would expand the pool to 18' x 36', with a full-width sun ledge. The sunledge makes the kit non-diving with a much larger shallow end sloping down to a 6' hopper.

I understand the concerns about losing the 8' deep end, but given the issues we've had with groundwater and the complications it brings, we feel this is the best option. We're comfortable with not having a diving pool.

The new kit is larger, which will allow me to rework the deep end by reshaping the hopper walls. I plan to fill the floor with clean stone and install an under-pool groundwater drainage, so I don't anticipate too much trouble there.

However, my main concern is expanding the shallow end and slope over what is currently removed earth. I can line up the deep end walls, but there’s still going to be a significant difference in the elevation.

I spoke with a local builder who specializes in gunite renovations, and he suggested pouring a concrete floor to address the difference in height and ensure stability. He would build up the area with stone and then use concrete forms to pour a solid floor to match the plans exactly.

That said, I’ve also read that concrete floors in liner pools can cause issues, especially when groundwater is involved.

Attached is a picture of our current pool compared with the kit we're considering. Any advice on materials or methods for building up the shallow end or thoughts on the contractor's recommendation would be greatly appreciated!
 

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Heres the overhead comparison to show just how much of the slope will have to be built up to accommodate the new shallow end.
 

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Thanks for the feedback, will definitely look into that. Do this seem like something thats even possible? The builder I spoke to seemed to have no problem taking this on, just wanted to make sure it even made sense.
 
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This is what we ended up doing, sort of.

While our pool turned out the way we wanted, we had to do remedial work.

Here’s a pic of them doing the vermiculite over the dirt and stone build-up areas, which may not be visible on the pic.

The original dig had 8’ of shallow, I thought that might not be enough real estate to hang out in so we used stones to build the floor out 2’. That in turn made our slope even steeper, but isn’t really a concern since you don’t really do anything on there except maybe bounce up and down on your way down to the deep end.

Another thing we did, because the side walls in the deep end were too angled was to shave them so they were more vertical. Again, this was because the excavator didn’t dig to specs.

The whole floor and side walls were vermiculited up to the bottom of the top side walls, and then the liner installed.

Oh, and the stones were also added to the slope before vermiculite so it could be straightened and flat.

And so I think that when you have vermiculite done, it almost looks like a concrete pool, but you obviously can’t just do all vermiculite, all the way up to the coping as it would likely crack from the weight of the water since it doesn’t have the structural integrity of concrete.
 

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