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Karl103

Karl103

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Rolesville, NC
Pool Size
13000
Surface
Fiberglass
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Hayward Aqua Rite (T-9)
Hi all,

I have a Prologic chlorination system (PL-P-4 model). I am looking to upgrade my salt cell at some point in the next 1-2 years. I want to upgrade with a Hayward product again. I have a turbocell T-9 now but want to upgrade to T-15 (40,000 gallon capacity). I notice that there are now multiple models to choose from and am not sure what are compatible with my prologic system. From what I can tell on the Hayward page, they all "could" be compatible with change in configuration at my control box.

My question - does anyone have any experience with the different models of salt cell and pros and cons of each:

model cell940 - 40000 gallons extended use


TcellS340 - 40000 clear view cell

W3t-cell-15 40000 standard - I think closest to what I have

Thanks
 
Depending on the software/hardware version, you may need to stick with an OEM cell.

When was the unit installed and what is the version numbers listed under the Diagnostic Menu?

To be sure, just go with a Hayward OEM T-15. Avoid SWP labeled cells.
 
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I forgot to mention that I would not go with the 940 because several members have reported shorter than published lifetimes plus if you look at the economics, the longer life does not compensate for the higher cost so it does not seem to be a better deal.
 
What does OEM mean ? (original equipment manufacturer ?) I plan on only replacing using Hayward products.

The software version is 4.46, installed 2018

All of the models I listed are OEM products. Do you know or have you heard if the newer models (S cell line) and clear cell lines from hayward are backwards compatible ?
 
All the cells you reference are compatible with Hayward’s PL-P-4. Major differences:
  • T-15: Standard 40,000-gal capacity cell
  • 940: Extended life cell, also rated for 40,000-gal
  • “W” cells: These are typically rebuilds with lower plate life and less warranty
  • S3 series: These are Hayward’s newest cells. See-through body for easier maintenance and a straight flow-through design to reduce chances of air bubbles and decrease flow restrictions.
For your use case, T-15 or S340 would work just fine. Don’t forget to change SWG settings in the PL-P-4:
Hayward Salt Cell Settings
 
Karl103 said:
What does OEM mean ? (original equipment manufacturer ?)
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Yes

Karl103 said:
The software version is 4.46, installed 2018
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You will need to use a Hayward OEM cell (i.e. non-generic). Some of the older controllers allow one to use generic cells.

Karl103 said:
All of the models I listed are OEM products. Do you know or have you heard if the newer models (S cell line) and clear cell lines from hayward are backwards compatible ?
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As I mentioned before the Hayward SwimPure brand (SWP) cells are not compatible. The others should be fine.
 
Here’s a comparison list for reference on various cells: TurboCell List

Also, forgot to mention but the S3 series can operate on a much wider salinity range, from 800-8,000ppm salt… but, typically, Hayward cells target a 3,200ppm level.
 
Guy559 said:
Here’s a comparison list for reference on various cells: TurboCell List

Also, forgot to mention but the S3 series can operate on a much wider salinity range, from 800-8,000ppm salt… but, typically, Hayward cells target a 3,200ppm level.
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I believe that feature is only available on the newer OmniLogic controllers. The ProLogic specification is 2700-3400 ppm. Below 2700 ppm the unit alarms and shuts off below 2500 ppm.
 
mas985 said:
I believe that feature is only available on the newer OmniLogic controllers. The ProLogic specification is 2700-3400 ppm. Below 2700 ppm the unit alarms and shuts off below 2500 ppm.
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Good point re: previous controllers. Yes, the OmniLogics allow us to set a lower alarm threshold which, if memory serves, is 1,200ppm.
 
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Guy559 said:
“W” cells: These are typically rebuilds with lower plate life and less warranty
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W3 at the beginning means "WWW" as in the internet.

Also called "Open Line".

"W3" (Open Line) products can be sold online as opposed to "Expert Line" Products, which are not authorized for online sales.

A "W" at the end of the model means it is intended to be a warranty cell to replaced a failed cell under warranty.

Cells made by Hayward as a Private Label, like SwimPure, NatureSoft, MineralSprings, SmartPure, SplashCLEAR, SuperPro etc. should be compatible.

Hayward branded products are required to follow a MAP (Minimum Advertised Price), which is the lowest price a product can be "Advertised" for, but the product can be advertised for a higher price and it can be sold for a lower price as long as the price is not advertised.
 
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The GLX-15-W cell has a 1 year warranty.

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Measure the resistance between points 7 and 8.

Holding the plug vertically with the cord going down and looking at the connection points. 1 is top left, 2 is top right, 3 is second down left, and so on with 9 being lower left and 10 being lower right.

  • 1) Black - Power to cell
  • 2) White - Power to cell
  • 3) Black - Power to cell
  • 4) White - Power to cell
  • 5) Brown - Not used
  • 6) Red - Goes to thermistor
  • 7) Orange - Not used on older models, used for OEM sense on new models.
  • 8) Yellow - Not used on older models, used for OEM sense on new models.
  • 9) Green - Not used
  • 10) Blue - Goes to thermistor.
To test the thermistor test between points 6 and 10 using a multimeter, the resistance should follow a 10k thermistor chart.


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I had a SwimPure cell (2018) and it does not have the OEM sense wires the newer controllers require. I believe the SwimPure controllers allow for generics.

Also, the 4-wire Hayward T-15 was a 2014 cell so they started manufacturing those at least in 2014 and most likely earlier.

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I had a SwimPure cell (2016) and it does not have the OEM sense wires the newer controllers require.
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I think that all Hayward made cells beyond a specific date will contain a chip.

The Swimpure power unit might or might not allow for generics.

Even if the box allows for generics, the cell can still contain the chip.
 
Pursuant to the terms and conditions of any applicable Warranty, the use of a non-genuine Hayward replacement salt chlorination cell on any Hayward automation or chlorination product will void any Warranty.
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They cannot prohibit the use of aftermarket parts.

They do say that the use of non-genuine parts will void the warranty.

However, the warranty is already over or the person would have pursued a warranty claim vs. buying a part themselves.

If the two wires are simply connected, then you can do that for a generic cell.

Have you investigated the wires and observed that the wires were simply connected?

If there is no chip, then why are the wire ends potted into the epoxy?

If the wires are simply connected, then why can't that be done outside the epoxy potting?
 
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JamesW said:
They cannot prohibit the use of aftermarket parts.

They do say that the use of non-genuine parts will void the warranty.

However, the warranty is already over or the person would have pursued a warranty claim vs. buying a part themselves.

If the two wires are simply connected, then you can do that for a generic cell.
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For generics there are not two extra wires in the cable so you would have jump it on the board or board connector.
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Have you investigated the wires and observed that the wires were simply connected?
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I had one of these 4-wire versions and broke open the glue and the two wires where just crimped together. I saw no chip. Only the temperature sensor in addition to the two crimped wires.
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If there is no chip, then why are the wire ends potted into the epoxy?

If the wires are simply connected, then why can't that be done outside the epoxy potting?\
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It could done outside the glue but if they did that then anyone could tell straight away that all you would need to do is to jump the two wires. I think by gluing it in, it makes it much hard to make that determination so it forces users into the OEM line.
 

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