REPAIRED! - Hayward GLX-PCB-MAIN

Mar 19, 2016
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Katy, TX
For the 4th time in 12 years, the main control board on my Hayward pool system went out (the board is Hayward GLX-PCB-MAIN). Each time the board lasts 2.5 - 3 years so it is out of warranty. Each time the symptoms have been the clock not keeping time and as a result, the pool cycle starts at a different real time each day. I have to say that I am very, very disappointed that Hayward can't make the board last longer than this, and I'm also disappointed that if you call them and tell them the symptoms they tell you the board is bad and you need a new one. But I digress...

The first 3 times this happened I bought a replacement board on Amazon and saved several hundred dollars compared to having a pool repairman do it. I was going to buy another replacement board again, but when I went to Amazon the price had escalated to about $450 (I think the first replacement was about $280) so I decided to see if it was possible to repair the board. I found this thread on TFP at Aqualogic Losing Time? which had a repair detailed in it. I am posting this thread so it is easier to find the information.

The repair comes down to de-soldering / removing, then replacing / re-soldering 1 capacitor (C3) and 1 real-time clock chip (U2) on the board. Between the 2 electronic parts, the total cost was about $10. The parts were found as listed in the other thread at Digikey.com:
1) The capacitor C3 is DigiKey part # 283-2814-ND (manufacturer part # KR-5R5V334-R)
2) The real-time clock US is Digi-Key part #DS1302Z+CT-ND (manufacturer part #DS1302Z+T&R)

A few comments about the actual repair:
a) NOTE that both the capacitor and the clock chip ARE POLARIZED, meaning there is a positive side and a negative side and only ONE WAY to properly mount them! You need to look at the old components BEFORE you remove them to be sure you know which way the new components go back on the board. TAKE PHOTOS before you start so you can check to make sure you are doing it right! Also, the polarity markings on the components were NOT simple + or - symbols. Check before you start how your components are marked and what the markings mean!
b) The capacitor C3 is mounted through the board; this is the type of mounting and soldering I learned 40-some years ago. However, the clock chip U2 is surface-mount soldered and I had no experience with it. However, I do have a son-in-law who is an Electrical Engineer and who is experienced with surface-mount soldering so I ordered the parts along with a new soldering iron with temperature control and small 3mm tips, a board clamp to hold it, and thin 3mm solder.
c) After removing the control board from the panel I could see the capacitor C3 was blown. So I replaced it first and checked to see if it solved the issue - unfortunately it did not. On to the clock chip.
d) Watching my son-in-law doing the U3 chip, the main lesson was to patiently heat the solder connection of each of the chip's 8 pins carefully. He worked on one side at a time, and did not leave the soldering iron tip on any pin solder joint more than a couple of seconds. He was moving down the line and back over and over until all 4 pins on the side came free, then he repeated on the other side so the bad chip was removed. His goal was to reuse the existing solder for the new chip so he didn't create any shorts between the pins with a blob of solder. He held the new chip in place with tweezers and got 2 pins to hold with the existing solder on the board, again never holding the soldering iron on a pin for more than a couple of seconds. Once the first 2 pins were held he worked through getting the other 6 to be held by the solder. At that point he looked through a magnifying glass and decided one of the solder joints needed a touch more solder, and he carefully added a tiny amount.
e) Once complete, I put the board back in the panel. Note that the time will need to be set, when the clock chip powers up it will be at midnight. If you have your pump cycle running at midnight, as soon as you power up the system will start the pumps if everything is working. My recommendation is to change the program so it isn't running at midnight before starting the repair so everything powers up without immediately turning on pumps etc.
f) Once the board was in and powered up I checked that I could turn pumps, cleaner, lights etc on and off, and all worked great. I then set the time on the system to match my iPhone. 3 weeks since the repair and the system has not lost any time, it matches my iPhone perfectly.
g) A minor point, the board clamp that I bought was a cheap one and close to useless as the board has some weight and would slip in the clamp unless perfectly horizontal. If I did it over I would find a better one that would properly hold this board.

Bottom line: I saved a ton of money by spending 45 minutes replacing the 2 bad components and repairing my board. I definitely recommend to anyone to try it yourself before buying an expensive replacement board, especially if you have a friend or relative with surface-mount soldering experience.
 
Thanks for sharing! I recently fixed my GLX-PCB-MAIN board. Had the infamous cold solder joint. Worked great since then.
But got tired of my old aqualogic system and upgraded it to prologic. Which i will probably get tired of soon and upgrade in a year or so.
These automation systems are kind of dumb and way over priced in today's technology standards.
 
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Interesting and great info. RTC chips don’t typically die so I’d be curious what in that design is causing those failures. Does that area of the board get excessively hot when it’s running or something?
I'm not aware of it getting abnormally hot, I'm not sure what the underlying problem is. My easy conclusion is that it is a poor design....unless they did it on purpose for planned obsolescence and increased profits from replacement boards, in which case it would be immoral in my view. Probably the former...?
 
Got the high salt/amps error message on my aqualogic PS-4 system, two weeks after installed a brand new TCELL940 with a TCELL15 setting in my configuration. Find this thread on the bad K1 solder. It appears on attached pciture that my K1 area has a problem. I try it yesterday with a new solder and after that, it works fine, no more error message and I come back to "normal" voltage around 25V and normal current around 7 A. I save hundreds of dollar with that solder. For information, my aqualogic was installed in 2008, and it is the first time I have trouble with it.
 

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For the 4th time in 12 years, the main control board on my Hayward pool system went out (the board is Hayward GLX-PCB-MAIN). Each time the board lasts 2.5 - 3 years so it is out of warranty. Each time the symptoms have been the clock not keeping time and as a result, the pool cycle starts at a different real time each day. I have to say that I am very, very disappointed that Hayward can't make the board last longer than this, and I'm also disappointed that if you call them and tell them the symptoms they tell you the board is bad and you need a new one. But I digress...

The first 3 times this happened I bought a replacement board on Amazon and saved several hundred dollars compared to having a pool repairman do it. I was going to buy another replacement board again, but when I went to Amazon the price had escalated to about $450 (I think the first replacement was about $280) so I decided to see if it was possible to repair the board. I found this thread on TFP at Aqualogic Losing Time? which had a repair detailed in it. I am posting this thread so it is easier to find the information.

The repair comes down to de-soldering / removing, then replacing / re-soldering 1 capacitor (C3) and 1 real-time clock chip (U2) on the board. Between the 2 electronic parts, the total cost was about $10. The parts were found as listed in the other thread at Digikey.com:
1) The capacitor C3 is DigiKey part # 283-2814-ND (manufacturer part # KR-5R5V334-R)
2) The real-time clock US is Digi-Key part #DS1302Z+CT-ND (manufacturer part #DS1302Z+T&R)

A few comments about the actual repair:
a) NOTE that both the capacitor and the clock chip ARE POLARIZED, meaning there is a positive side and a negative side and only ONE WAY to properly mount them! You need to look at the old components BEFORE you remove them to be sure you know which way the new components go back on the board. TAKE PHOTOS before you start so you can check to make sure you are doing it right! Also, the polarity markings on the components were NOT simple + or - symbols. Check before you start how your components are marked and what the markings mean!
b) The capacitor C3 is mounted through the board; this is the type of mounting and soldering I learned 40-some years ago. However, the clock chip U2 is surface-mount soldered and I had no experience with it. However, I do have a son-in-law who is an Electrical Engineer and who is experienced with surface-mount soldering so I ordered the parts along with a new soldering iron with temperature control and small 3mm tips, a board clamp to hold it, and thin 3mm solder.
c) After removing the control board from the panel I could see the capacitor C3 was blown. So I replaced it first and checked to see if it solved the issue - unfortunately it did not. On to the clock chip.
d) Watching my son-in-law doing the U3 chip, the main lesson was to patiently heat the solder connection of each of the chip's 8 pins carefully. He worked on one side at a time, and did not leave the soldering iron tip on any pin solder joint more than a couple of seconds. He was moving down the line and back over and over until all 4 pins on the side came free, then he repeated on the other side so the bad chip was removed. His goal was to reuse the existing solder for the new chip so he didn't create any shorts between the pins with a blob of solder. He held the new chip in place with tweezers and got 2 pins to hold with the existing solder on the board, again never holding the soldering iron on a pin for more than a couple of seconds. Once the first 2 pins were held he worked through getting the other 6 to be held by the solder. At that point he looked through a magnifying glass and decided one of the solder joints needed a touch more solder, and he carefully added a tiny amount.
e) Once complete, I put the board back in the panel. Note that the time will need to be set, when the clock chip powers up it will be at midnight. If you have your pump cycle running at midnight, as soon as you power up the system will start the pumps if everything is working. My recommendation is to change the program so it isn't running at midnight before starting the repair so everything powers up without immediately turning on pumps etc.
f) Once the board was in and powered up I checked that I could turn pumps, cleaner, lights etc on and off, and all worked great. I then set the time on the system to match my iPhone. 3 weeks since the repair and the system has not lost any time, it matches my iPhone perfectly.
g) A minor point, the board clamp that I bought was a cheap one and close to useless as the board has some weight and would slip in the clamp unless perfectly horizontal. If I did it over I would find a better one that would properly hold this board.

Bottom line: I saved a ton of money by spending 45 minutes replacing the 2 bad components and repairing my board. I definitely recommend to anyone to try it yourself before buying an expensive replacement board, especially if you have a friend or relative with surface-mount soldering experience.
Thank you BarryTx! Finding this post saved me $$$! As BarryTx's post says, replacing the C3 capacitor and U2 real-time clock chip (surface mount) fixes this very common problem.

I followed BarryTx's post, and while the surface mount chip replacement was challenging for me (I'd only call myself a decent solderer), it wasn't too bad. Here are my tips to add to BarryTx's:
- Remove the capacitor, then remove/replace the real-time clock chip as the capacitor is large and with it out of the way you have easier access to chip.
- Watch some youtube videos on removing surface mount components; there are a few techniques out there, and choose the one which suites your skills and equipment best
- I chose to remove the chip by clipping the legs, then with the chip body out of the way it was easy to remove the leg-pieces by just touching them with my soldering iron. The pads stayed nice and with a small amount of solder left on them, and I didn't even need to add any solder.
- The original chip had a small circle in one corner to indicate orientation, but the new chip did not have that feature. So I just made sure text printed on the chip (part number, etc) read in the same orientation with replacement chip.
- Don't underestimate the need for some type of magnification and lighting. I used something like this and I couldn't have done the job without it.
- I just used a normal soldering iron, no high temp required. I used the smallest tip I had. As BarryTx said, you barely need to touch the chip's legs to melt the solder
- For the capacitor, there is an arrow on it showing the direction it should be installed, and the PCB has a "house"-shaped arrow showing direction...just make sure these are matched. This was very straight forward.
- Like other's have said, I purchased 2x capacitor and RTC chip from digikey using the part numbers above, just in case. But now I have spares for when the controller stops working again.
- The PCB and all components have a factory coating all over it, presumably for moisture resistance. I noticed a lot of the coating had flaked off over the 14 year life of the system, which may possibly be why the components failed. I haven't yet, but I intend to re-coat the board with something like this.

Good luck, and don't fear the surface mount chip replacement...if you do some research and take your time, it's not too bad. My final job looked atrocious, but still worked.
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Major applause for you guys - @teerff, others, (and @BarryTX & @syberia81 who sadly don't seem to be around much in TFP anymore) - for finding and documenting these great controller repairs! I love saving big bucks fixing stuff like this. Of course the toughest part is figuring out which component is bad and then identifying a part number. Not so bad when a part is smoked or a capacitor is swollen, toughest when parts are not labelled and no schematic available. Back in the 70's & 80's you could buy something called a "Sam's Photofact" for about 10 bucks with full schematic, parts list and test point voltages listed - at least for most Tv's and many other electronics. Not so easy today!

Agreed we need not fear the SMT's (surface mounted devices). A nice heat gun makes a good tool addition for that, heating the entire area or whole board slowly to the correct max temperature. After all, that's how they are manufactured - by robotic pickers that place all those devices with a bit of solder-flux paste combo - then run through an oven of sorts. At least that was how we used to do it, probably something fancier nowadays. I fixed a battery pack for a cordless drill by using the heat gun to remove a couple 63N08 MOSFET defective transistors that use the metal transistor case as the 3rd terminal. I knew they were bad b/c I got the drill so hot (coring out a paver for a railing) that the devices floated sideways. Eeeks - not good to let the drill get that hot! But only $8 for a pack of 5 of the chips on amazonian.

BTW the heat gun so very valuable for other projects - see youtube videos on how you can let the heat gun blow through a length of 2" PVC pipe and a few minutes later it's a slinky that you can bend to any desired curve. Or heat the area where you had to cut off PVC from a pricey 3-way valve, then simply pry out the old PVC stub. Helps if you first score the inside of the pipe with a small saw or very hot knife. I've saved and re-used many valves that way, also to preserve and re-use special union fittings. Fun stuff.

One thing I've hoped for but never yet seen is a "universal" replacement controller for electric pool heaters. Seems like you could make something - perhaps for $100 or so - that senses water temperature and water flow, then with the standard display & controls and remote input interface. The trick perhaps is sensing, for safety, refrigerant over-pressure and under-pressure conditions. Those might need to be programmable in some way to account for different heater designs and refrigerant types that have differing pressure design points. Maybe a jumper pin for selecting R410A or R22, etc. Oh well, one day maybe.

Rock on DIY-ers!
 

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