Pool 12v DC Power Supply?

Human beings simply aren’t “conductive enough” to be worried about electrocution by low voltage power. As long as the high voltage incoming power is properly isolated from the output side, it’s fine. This is why I suggested using a pool code transformer to drop the voltage down to safe 12V levels. Then you can run that anywhere you want. Transformers that are rated for pool use have their primary windings physically isolated from the secondary winding. The transformer’s magnetic core is not conductive. So even if the transformer fails, there is no physical connection between the primary coils and the secondary coils. One would have to intentionally create a situation where the primary and secondary sides are physically connected.

Follow electrical codes and best-practices for electrical design and you’ll be fine. Always ere on the side of safety and redundancy and look for electrical equipment that is UL rated for the intended application.

Also note that a UL rating doesn’t imply safety. UL ratings simply mean that the underwriter’s laboratory has independently tested the equipment and certifies that it operates as the manufacturer intended it to and that its specifications are accurate. It’s up to the designer and end user to use the equipment in a safe manner.
 
A solid tip of my hat to @Dirk, @Mdragger88 and others on this topic, many thanks. For my part I think Dirk nailed it!! And the referenced ecmag article further nails it, in my opinion. I too have gone down some of those cleaver DIY roads noted herein. I used a cheap 12 volt AC to adjustable DC converter (5 pack for $10) mounted in a weatherproof enclosure with the enclosure and all lights more than 5 feet from the pool with all the proper cabling. All powered from a code compliant 120V to 12VAC pool/spa rated transformer with the 120V primary side also protected by GFCI. But I will soon dump all the landscape lighting portions of that in favor of either the VOLT systems or better yet fibre optics with no possible conductivity. Here’s why...

It’s basically the argument made by Dirk and others which I think amounts to the Swiss Cheese Model of Accident Causation, also known as the “cumulative cause effect” and often referenced in aviation safety. How do I know that circumstances won’t change? Someone digs and nicks a wire, a future homeowner perhaps, and/or the wire deteriorates for other reasons, rubbing on something. And later the wire touches the cage, then somebody manages to touch that source, perhaps during a rainstorm. How do I know some voltage differential won’t occur, some day, somehow, inducing a small current through a human? As noted, GFCI on the primary does not trip for currents traveling on unintended paths from the secondary. Simply stated, none of that can happen if the lighting is non-conductive fibre optics (assuming the control modules are all properly installed & protected). Downside I guess is price. Incidentally it’s probably worth thinking about whether any of your 24VAC irrigation valves are near the pool.

In related matters, I read recently that there is also some controversy about whether the NEC requires (or some locales require) that even approved transformers and their enclosures have the primary protected by GFCI. In one of those “man dies swimming due to faulty pool light” articles, the cause was traced due to an approved transformer / enclosure with proper separation of primary & secondary wiring – but the enclosure ground wire separated from the metal enclosure and a loose wire in that enclosure managed to electrify downstream secondary components. The description needed more detail, but in the end GFCI on the primary would have saved the man. After reading that I checked my 10 year old installation and indeed the primary was not on GFCI, so I added a GFCI breaker and tested its function.

This leads me to the very clever and seemingly well-thought-out post by @setsailsoon about using a proper weatherproof DIN rail cabinet, carefully and neatly wired for sure. In such an installation, is it rated for pool/spa use? Are all secondary wirings totally and physically separated from the primary wiring as done with the metal plate in approved enclosures? Is the transformer itself rated for proper primary/secondary isolation and pool/spa use? If going down that road, at least the primary 120V circuit should be GFCI protected, methinks. But I think it’s still possible to thwart the protections in a true swiss cheese model, even if I cannot think of how, right now, today.

All that said I’m thinking of running a couple tests. In and around my pool with all tis intrinsic bonding, is it possible for me to generate even the smallest of currents between the secondary of a 12VAC or 12VDC transformer and my water or cage or light niches or railings? And if I NEVER produce such a current, is it truly safe? Or have I just failed to conjure up the right combo of swiss cheese slice alignments? Maybe stick with fibre optics!

If I want to get truly radical maybe I wonder if my pool bonding was ever done right? I mean, I’ve tested for zero resistance between all cage and niche and railing components on back to the #8 bonding wire that snakes around the equipment pad and interconnects all equipment. But how do I trust that the concrete reinforcement mesh was properly tied in? It should have been inspected but we know that too is not foolproof and I wasn’t the owner back then. So I’m just wondering if there may be some clever way of testing the bonding. Or maybe I simply need to trust, at some point, that I’ve done all I can!

Peace to all, and thank you.
 
Thank you for clarifying my point. I have little doubt that @negativez0 will be able to conjure up a reasonably safe system. As you say, "at some point, he'll do all he can" to make it safe, we can hope. But it's the, what'd you call it, the "Swiss Cheese Model of Accident Causation" that I was harping about.

If it had some mission critical purpose that just had to be done, and couldn't be done some other way, then one weighs the risks. But just to add a cool lighting effect to an AGP, IMO, is just not that. Not when much safer landscaping lighting can achieve an even more impressive wow factor.

OK, I'll shut up about it now.
 
A solid tip of my hat to @Dirk, @Mdragger88 and others on this topic, many thanks. For my part I think Dirk nailed it!! And the referenced ecmag article further nails it, in my opinion. I too have gone down some of those cleaver DIY roads noted herein. I used a cheap 12 volt AC to adjustable DC converter (5 pack for $10) mounted in a weatherproof enclosure with the enclosure and all lights more than 5 feet from the pool with all the proper cabling. All powered from a code compliant 120V to 12VAC pool/spa rated transformer with the 120V primary side also protected by GFCI. But I will soon dump all the landscape lighting portions of that in favor of either the VOLT systems or better yet fibre optics with no possible conductivity. Here’s why...

It’s basically the argument made by Dirk and others which I think amounts to the Swiss Cheese Model of Accident Causation, also known as the “cumulative cause effect” and often referenced in aviation safety. How do I know that circumstances won’t change? Someone digs and nicks a wire, a future homeowner perhaps, and/or the wire deteriorates for other reasons, rubbing on something. And later the wire touches the cage, then somebody manages to touch that source, perhaps during a rainstorm. How do I know some voltage differential won’t occur, some day, somehow, inducing a small current through a human? As noted, GFCI on the primary does not trip for currents traveling on unintended paths from the secondary. Simply stated, none of that can happen if the lighting is non-conductive fibre optics (assuming the control modules are all properly installed & protected). Downside I guess is price. Incidentally it’s probably worth thinking about whether any of your 24VAC irrigation valves are near the pool.

In related matters, I read recently that there is also some controversy about whether the NEC requires (or some locales require) that even approved transformers and their enclosures have the primary protected by GFCI. In one of those “man dies swimming due to faulty pool light” articles, the cause was traced due to an approved transformer / enclosure with proper separation of primary & secondary wiring – but the enclosure ground wire separated from the metal enclosure and a loose wire in that enclosure managed to electrify downstream secondary components. The description needed more detail, but in the end GFCI on the primary would have saved the man. After reading that I checked my 10 year old installation and indeed the primary was not on GFCI, so I added a GFCI breaker and tested its function.

This leads me to the very clever and seemingly well-thought-out post by @setsailsoon about using a proper weatherproof DIN rail cabinet, carefully and neatly wired for sure. In such an installation, is it rated for pool/spa use? Are all secondary wirings totally and physically separated from the primary wiring as done with the metal plate in approved enclosures? Is the transformer itself rated for proper primary/secondary isolation and pool/spa use? If going down that road, at least the primary 120V circuit should be GFCI protected, methinks. But I think it’s still possible to thwart the protections in a true swiss cheese model, even if I cannot think of how, right now, today.

All that said I’m thinking of running a couple tests. In and around my pool with all tis intrinsic bonding, is it possible for me to generate even the smallest of currents between the secondary of a 12VAC or 12VDC transformer and my water or cage or light niches or railings? And if I NEVER produce such a current, is it truly safe? Or have I just failed to conjure up the right combo of swiss cheese slice alignments? Maybe stick with fibre optics!

If I want to get truly radical maybe I wonder if my pool bonding was ever done right? I mean, I’ve tested for zero resistance between all cage and niche and railing components on back to the #8 bonding wire that snakes around the equipment pad and interconnects all equipment. But how do I trust that the concrete reinforcement mesh was properly tied in? It should have been inspected but we know that too is not foolproof and I wasn’t the owner back then. So I’m just wondering if there may be some clever way of testing the bonding. Or maybe I simply need to trust, at some point, that I’ve done all I can!

Peace to all, and thank you.
Just make sure the box is weather proof NEMA rated and sufficient distance from the pool plus proper bond and ground connections. In my case this box contains all the HV (240 and 120 vac). Low voltage goes out via flexible electrical conduit to the LV control cabinet that also houses the Raspberry Pi controls/relays to valve actuators, and LED circuits. Mine are all nicheless pool LED's that get power from a separate pool rated transformer which is mounted below the control box. I'm switching the LV pool LED power to switch colors and lighting modes. In your case, you can just mount a PS on the DIN rail and wire to the LED's anywhere you want. All this said, the only pool that has close to what you describe I know of is @Katodude 's pool.

Chris
 
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